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Post by Bartholmew Quarrels on Jun 28, 2018 9:08:51 GMT -5
People calling people names, like moron and stupid and getting away with it has a chilling effect. People being banned or censored for not being left wing enough is chilling. People being banned for associating with the wrong people is chilling. People being banned for using multiple IP addresses, due to logging in at home, at work, on multiple devices, from public hot spots or for using a VPN to protect their privacy because of where they live and so on and so forth is chilling. People having to choose between posting on forum A or on Forum B, but not both because forum A will ban you for participating on Forum B is chilling. People calling middle of the road moral values hate speech is chilling. People being ostracized for not accepting evil things into their lives is chilling. People being lied about and no one dares dispute the lies because they might be ostracized too is chilling. People being asked to provide a picture ID and personal identification information in order to belong to a forum is chilling.
All these things are taking place across the on-line RPG world on forums, blogs, Google+, Twitter, Instagram and Facebook. That is not even a complete list. The RPG world mirrors the world at large. These days the acceptable viewpoint is provided to us and you deviate from that at your own peril. 1984 is here and it is the chilling effect.
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Post by Yaleric on Jun 28, 2018 18:44:53 GMT -5
The Chilling Effect is what brought me here.
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Post by Hexenritter Verlag on Jun 28, 2018 22:14:05 GMT -5
People calling people names, like moron and stupid and getting away with it has a chilling effect. People being banned or censored for not being left wing enough is chilling. People being banned for associating with the wrong people is chilling. People being banned for using multiple IP addresses, due to logging in at home, at work, on multiple devices, from public hot spots or for using a VPN to protect their privacy because of where they live and so on and so forth is chilling. People having to choose between posting on forum A or on Forum B, but not both because forum A will ban you for participating on Forum B is chilling. People calling middle of the road moral values hate speech is chilling. People being ostracized for not accepting evil things into their lives is chilling. People being lied about and no one dares dispute the lies because they might be ostracized too is chilling. People being asked to provide a picture ID and personal identification information in order to belong to a forum is chilling. All these things are taking place across the on-line RPG world on forums, blogs, Google+, Twitter, Instagram and Facebook. That is not even a complete list. The RPG world mirrors the world at large. These days the acceptable viewpoint is provided to us and you deviate from that at your own peril. 1984 is here and it is the chilling effect. I, True Black Raven & Jakob Grimm have dealt with these chilling things various places, Ruins of Murkill is a bastion and frankly I love it here, I rarely post in other forums anymore. |
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Post by Yaleric on Jun 28, 2018 23:02:14 GMT -5
People calling people names, like moron and stupid and getting away with it has a chilling effect. People being banned or censored for not being left wing enough is chilling. People being banned for associating with the wrong people is chilling. People being banned for using multiple IP addresses, due to logging in at home, at work, on multiple devices, from public hot spots or for using a VPN to protect their privacy because of where they live and so on and so forth is chilling. People having to choose between posting on forum A or on Forum B, but not both because forum A will ban you for participating on Forum B is chilling. People calling middle of the road moral values hate speech is chilling. People being ostracized for not accepting evil things into their lives is chilling. People being lied about and no one dares dispute the lies because they might be ostracized too is chilling. People being asked to provide a picture ID and personal identification information in order to belong to a forum is chilling. All these things are taking place across the on-line RPG world on forums, blogs, Google+, Twitter, Instagram and Facebook. That is not even a complete list. The RPG world mirrors the world at large. These days the acceptable viewpoint is provided to us and you deviate from that at your own peril. 1984 is here and it is the chilling effect. I, True Black Raven & Jakob Grimm have dealt with these chilling things various places, Ruins of Murkill is a bastion and frankly I love it here, I rarely post in other forums anymore. You can add my name to that list too. |
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Post by Hexenritter Verlag on Jun 28, 2018 23:06:26 GMT -5
It is sad, the hobby is for everyone, but if you don't toe some nebulous political line or have the wrong associations.
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Post by True Black Raven on Jun 29, 2018 21:25:32 GMT -5
It is sad, the hobby is for everyone, but if you don't toe some nebulous political line or have the wrong associations. Quoted for Truth. I also think that almost everyone here has run into the things named above. |
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Post by mormonyoyoman on Jun 30, 2018 0:20:27 GMT -5
(Sort of what I just texted to Mr PD) My Secret Origin of Beijing Banned was derailed this week by a threatened heart attack and a threatening doctor who spoke to me about my blood pressure of 300 over Vqqngun-5. Or something like that. Didn't get released until they got it under 200/85 and even then tranq'd me as much as Bruce Banner in a coma. (Remember those HUGE tranq pills that Ditko drew?) Hope to get it done by Monday after I finish the Elders' Quorum Newsletter, several ministering letters to shut-ins, our high priests' prayer roster, and something else I can't remember at midnight-13. Clarity of mind as well as real consciousness come and go.
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Post by Hexenritter Verlag on Jun 30, 2018 19:53:19 GMT -5
It is sad, the hobby is for everyone, but if you don't toe some nebulous political line or have the wrong associations. Quoted for Truth. I also think that almost everyone here has run into the things named above. I made the mistake of using the same username I have here and that I used in a forum that shall not be named, in which I got banned in and it likely cost me a chance at Knights & Knaves. It is funny in a sad way that this forum has some of the nicest and engaging members I've ever met on a forums but some of us got banned from other forums for ridiculous things as Bartholmew Quarrels mentioned above. I saw it happen to another member from here be banned for "wrong think" on another forum recently, so it isn't paranoia talking. |
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Post by mormonyoyoman on Jun 30, 2018 22:57:09 GMT -5
If it was Paranoia talking, it would be telling us that the Computer Is Our Friend.
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Post by Jakob Grimm on Jun 30, 2018 23:25:50 GMT -5
(Sort of what I just texted to Mr PD) My Secret Origin of Beijing Banned was derailed this week by a threatened heart attack and a threatening doctor who spoke to me about my blood pressure of 300 over Vqqngun-5. Or something like that. Didn't get released until they got it under 200/85 and even then tranq'd me as much as Bruce Banner in a coma. (Remember those HUGE tranq pills that Ditko drew?) Hope to get it done by Monday after I finish the Elders' Quorum Newsletter, several ministering letters to shut-ins, our high priests' prayer roster, and something else I can't remember at midnight-13. Clarity of mind as well as real consciousness come and go. did you say you got "Beijing Banned"? What is that? What are they doing now? Why would anyone ban you? |
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Post by mormonyoyoman on Jul 1, 2018 0:06:36 GMT -5
Evidently from knowing Dave. Something about how he bet I was sorry now. Planned to read it Monday, but either he'd deleted it or Great and Powerful Banning removed it from my forum reader. Which means Tapatalk doesn't work like I thought it did.
By Tuesday or Wednesday, I realized I should delete my password from LastPass and encertain I hadn't used it elsewhere. Was shocked to have Proboards tell me that each Proboard-board to which I was subscribed, shared passwords - even a bandalore forum and a 3 Stooges forum I had belonged to. Which meant the peculiar forum which had sent the nastygram - had access to my Murkhill account. So I changed my Murkhill password and already it was more trouble than I wanted to deal with. Was too concerned about my upcoming (now over) Day of VA hospital to take seriously some faceless non-entity's paranoia.
Evidently, I still can't write a short post. I want sleep.
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Post by Admin Pete on Jul 1, 2018 8:28:24 GMT -5
Evidently from knowing Dave. Something about how he bet I was sorry now. Planned to read it Monday, but either he'd deleted it or Great and Powerful Banning removed it from my forum reader. Which means Tapatalk doesn't work like I thought it did. By Tuesday or Wednesday, I realized I should delete my password from LastPass and encertain I hadn't used it elsewhere. Was shocked to have Proboards tell me that each Proboard-board to which I was subscribed, shared passwords - even a bandalore forum and a 3 Stooges forum I had belonged to. Which meant the peculiar forum which had sent the nastygram - had access to my Murkhill account. So I changed my Murkhill password and already it was more trouble than I wanted to deal with. Was too concerned about my upcoming (now over) Day of VA hospital to take seriously some faceless non-entity's paranoia. Evidently, I still can't write a short post. I want sleep. , let me put your mind at ease, the person who sent you the nasty gram does not have access to your password even on the place he is and he does not have access to any of your other proboards sites at all and he cannot even see what other sites you belong to, the only way he knows that is if you talk about it or if you use the same user name on multiple sites. That is why they awhile back made a big deal of people should use the same user name everywhere because then they just use google to find all the site that you belong to that way. But the only personal information is what you give them on their site. So you did not have to change the password, even though changing it now and then is a good idea. No they did not have access to your Murkhill account, just the stuff that all members can see when they look at your profile, so you can always go to your profile and hide the max that you can. As far as a pm you can only read them while you are logged into the forum, if you want to read it after a ban you have to save it somewhere like your hard drive as a file or copy paste it to something you can access. As long as we are speaking of chilling effects, banning people for being a member of this forum and posting is a chilling effect. We have already had between 12-20 active to sometimes active posters quit posting here and even logging in because of the ban threat. That is the chilling effect, when you ban people for not going along with your political agenda. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2018 8:56:35 GMT -5
Bullies. We hates them. Yes we does, don’t we Precious? Gollum, gollum
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2018 9:09:07 GMT -5
As long as we are speaking of chilling effects, banning people for being a member of this forum and posting is a chilling effect. We have already had between 12-20 active to sometimes active posters quit posting here and even logging in because of the ban threat. That is the chilling effect, when you ban people for not going along with your political agenda. All right, let me get this straight. A poster from this forum got banned on another forum because they post here. Other posters have been threatened with banning because they post here, so they don't post here. Amazing, simply amazing. You know, I think I'm going to ramp up my little blog a notch or two, just to annoy people who think they hold the secrets to The One True Way. I can think of a quote from Duke Leto that applies here. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2018 9:45:28 GMT -5
In a nutshell, you have the knowing of it Jeff.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2018 9:53:10 GMT -5
let me put your mind at ease I wondered about the universal login myself. Thanks for info.  |
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Post by Admin Pete on Jul 1, 2018 13:04:29 GMT -5
As long as we are speaking of chilling effects, banning people for being a member of this forum and posting is a chilling effect. We have already had between 12-20 active to sometimes active posters quit posting here and even logging in because of the ban threat. That is the chilling effect, when you ban people for not going along with your political agenda. All right, let me get this straight. A poster from this forum got banned on another forum because they post here. Other posters have been threatened with banning because they post here, so they don't post here. Amazing, simply amazing. You know, I think I'm going to ramp up my little blog a notch or two, just to annoy people who think they hold the secrets to The One True Way. I can think of a quote from Duke Leto that applies here. Yes, @chirinebakal, one particular person at one particular forum has bullied the admin into the following: There is a group of bullies of which this person has become the worst. They claim several things: One is that I have over 70 identities and over 70 IP numbers spread across a whole slew of forums causing trouble everywhere trying to shut down all old school rpg forums so that this will be the only one, further they claim I am doing this because I have a financial stake in making this even though I have no products for sale, no products written to sell and I have not yet monetized the links on my blog or the forum. They also claim that I have lots and lots of blogs. They claim that all of those 70 identities are always attacking people and trying to get forums shutdown. They have banned several members here because they think they are me. We are not sure if Chet ( mormonyoyoman) was banned because they think he is me or because he is my Co-Admin. They banned Hexenritter Verlag because they thought he was me. Go look at my blog in my signature, they go look at Hexenritter Verlag blog in his signature. If those are written by one person, then that person has way too much talent to waste time with a forum. They have banned other members because they think they are me. They are banning people that have more than one IP address, so logging in at work and home or multiple devices, etc is not a good idea anymore. They claim that I don't have a sick wife and that I am not sick with an illness either. They claim I am a sociopath, preying on people. And all of that is just them getting warmed up. So this one ringleader a while back (I can't see that forum, but people copy paste and send me pms to keep me up to date with the public stuff) drew a line in the sand and told that forum that people would have to choose between the forums, that they could not hang out there and here both and he challenged them to ostracize and isolate me so they could silence me. While I have lost members there were big posters, this most recent month this forum had the most posts in one month it has had. (1788 posts 59.6 posts per day) So I guess they have been partially successfully. I have also noticed that links to my forum and my blog are disappearing from old school blogs. So they are actively trying to make it harder for people to find me by getting rid of links and driving me done in the google results. All I want to do is talk about OD&D and other games and hang out. This is what I do to relax. I can only wish that I had the time, the energy, and the resources to do what I am being accused of, but I still would not be doing any of that. |
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Post by hengest on Jul 1, 2018 15:04:54 GMT -5
What on earth is going on around here??
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Post by ripx187 on Jul 1, 2018 15:30:13 GMT -5
What on Earth could you possibly have done to deserve such bizarre treatment, Admin Pete? I am a much bigger jerk than you are and for the most part, I get left alone. I've known you now for some time and I don't see it. You are respectful in regards to the beliefs of others, you are fair handed during adversity, you have a quiet strength which you freely lend to others. You are a teacher and a student. I've never seen you act like a know-it-all, even when you do in fact know. I like your administration style, when one finds themselves in murky waters you always speak directly to them in PMs, and explain any change of policy so that there are no misunderstandings or hard feelings. In regards to others, you encourage participation and you actually read and process what is being written, seeking to understand the other person's perspective fully, even if you don't like it. That is a rare gift in today's Internet culture. You dislike when others are mean to each other, and you do step in before things escalate. You don't punish others, and you treat everyone with the dignity and respect which we are all entitled too. This is the man that I have come to know. I have rarely run into any trouble in regards to my association with this discussion board, but that could be due to my own habits. Prior to posting anything on a board, I spend a day or two getting a feel for the place in regards to content, and especially the attitudes and the ways that people interact with each other. I did the same for this discussion group and I got the feeling that this place was private, and one had to be invited to join, which I had been in order to discuss a specific topic. I say that, because of the quality of the content and the lack of belligerent responses which one typically expects to get from opinion pieces. That and all of the vocal members were very knowledgeable and familiar with the topics that they were discussing. I was very pleased to be allowed to continue participating once the original thread had played itself out. I had been wrong, of course. This is an open discussion group, and I discovered that it is we, the members, which challenge each other to be the very best that we can be in regards to contributing content. I had only run into one instance when I was attacked, and that was back when we were doing Rob a favour by helping him promote his new book at the time, but those attacks seemed to be directed more at Rob Kuntz than at me personally. I'm not going to pretend to know exactly what group we are discussing. I don't participate in many forums as I know that my opinions and thoughts in regard to many key subjects are unwanted and would be unproductive for everyone involved. I honestly don't care about the surface matters of the game, it is the deeper aspects of the rules which interest me. Stripping a game down to its basic components and questioning the rules which are still there and still set in place, not because they are cool, but because they provide a specific function. Discovering rules and mechanical theories which were important to the game but had been abandoned due to a shift in commercial attitudes or to a lack of understanding from the publisher; this is exciting to me, and this is what can be discussed here. This board provides much much more than that, but it does seem to be geared towards advanced and experienced game masters who seek to break the barriers of the closed systems and value the unknown and unexplored over "by the book" play. Those mechanics which come to us during the process exactly when they are needed and disappear just as quickly are deeply interesting, are they not? Moreso, I feel, then seeking to find perfect and hard mechanics to fit every situation to the point where they direct ideas rather than let it flow naturally. |
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Post by Admin Pete on Jul 1, 2018 16:03:57 GMT -5
Thank you for those kinds words, ripx187, if my mother was still around I would show them to her.  Anyone who is still a member at that other OD&D place can go click on my profile and then click on recent posts and I don't know how far back it will go on my recent posts, but it should be enough to give you a good look at my posts there. I don't claim to be perfect and I do lose my temper now and then like anyone else. But I hope how you see me here is how I am the vast majority of the time anyplace. Like I said, they claim I have a multitude of identities but AFAIK they have never posted a list of the bad things I am supposed to have done under those "identities". |
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Post by Admin Pete on Jul 1, 2018 16:07:46 GMT -5
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Post by mormonyoyoman on Jul 1, 2018 17:55:44 GMT -5
Zondervan, I reference Popeye: "I, das not like myskeries on account of I can not unnerstan's 'em."
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Post by Harry Wolf on Jul 1, 2018 18:17:57 GMT -5
As long as we are speaking of chilling effects, banning people for being a member of this forum and posting is a chilling effect. We have already had between 12-20 active to sometimes active posters quit posting here and even logging in because of the ban threat. That is the chilling effect, when you ban people for not going along with your political agenda. All right, let me get this straight. A poster from this forum got banned on another forum because they post here. Other posters have been threatened with banning because they post here, so they don't post here. Amazing, simply amazing. You know, I think I'm going to ramp up my little blog a notch or two, just to annoy people who think they hold the secrets to The One True Way. I can think of a quote from Duke Leto that applies here. Not only that, but over 1000 accounts were deleted for not being active enough among other things. I am still a long time member there, but under a different name. But bear in mind that this is all under the banner of being inclusive. These days when someone throws out the word inclusive, I just hunker down and look around to see who they are going to exclude, the worst parts are not knowing enough about things to speak up and not having any status for your protest to mean anything besides, "You're gone too!" It is hard to fight a battle when you don't know what the battle is about. Did you see that the one whole section of that forum is now hidden from view unless you are logged in? The hidden part is All of that is now hidden from anyone coming to the board that is not a member or is a member not logged in. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2018 18:37:35 GMT -5
The hidden part is All of that is now hidden from anyone coming to the board that is not a member or is a member not logged in. They don’t even want you reading it? That is harsh, man. |
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Post by Harry Wolf on Jul 1, 2018 18:51:03 GMT -5
The hidden part is All of that is now hidden from anyone coming to the board that is not a member or is a member not logged in. They don’t even want you reading it? That is harsh, man. You would think that would be a section you would want a first time visitor to see, to help sell them on joining. Think of all the non-members who have been coming to browse and now if they want to browse they would have to join. Then if they join and login from two different places, say home and work, they are going to be asked for picture ID. Quite frankly if I were to get banned and this place did not exist what choices would I have? The person on the other forum strongly implies coordination with other forums. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2018 20:26:50 GMT -5
You would think that would be a section you would want a first time visitor to see, to help sell them on joining. Think of all the non-members who have been coming to browse and now if they want to browse they would have to join. Yes it would make better sense that anyone can read but if they desire to contribute they must first join. |
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Post by mormonyoyoman on Jul 1, 2018 20:30:55 GMT -5
Rip, I don't understand - I don't think I'm capable of understanding people who have gleefully embraced evil. Maybe it's the end result of paranoia. Seems to me that Isaiah fella knew what he was saying when he prophesied "Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter! Woe unto them that are wise in their own eyes, and prudent in their own sight! Woe unto them that are mighty to drink wine, and men of strength to mingle strong drink: Which justify the wicked for reward, and take away the righteousness of the righteous from him!" (Isaiah 5:20-23)
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Post by Mighty Darci on Jul 1, 2018 22:29:39 GMT -5
I spent several months lurking and checking out forums before I joined here. I joined here because this looked like the only female friendly forum around. The reason I came to that conclusion is because it was the only guy friendly forum around where there was not constant bullying going on. Since you guys were not getting bullied I figured it would work for me and it has. Most forums not only tolerate an excessive amount of bullying behavior, in most cases one or more moderators are part of the problem. On one forum in particular almost all of the active posters are examples of the worst of schoolyard bullies, and why they still get new members is baffling to say the least. So this is the place I hang out when I have time. I would not stick around anyplace where I was mistreated. I would recommend everyone adopt that policy.
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Post by mormonyoyoman on Jul 2, 2018 1:07:10 GMT -5
(OK, who was in charge of bullying The Mighty Darci? Whoever it was - you had one job, and you failed. However will we live with the shame of Being Fair-minded and Disagreeing Without Hating?)
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Post by Hexenritter Verlag on Jul 2, 2018 1:41:37 GMT -5
I spent several months lurking and checking out forums before I joined here. I joined here because this looked like the only female friendly forum around. The reason I came to that conclusion is because it was the only guy friendly forum around where there was not constant bullying going on. Since you guys were not getting bullied I figured it would work for me and it has. Most forums not only tolerate an excessive amount of bullying behavior, in most cases one or more moderators are part of the problem. On one forum in particular almost all of the active posters are examples of the worst of schoolyard bullies, and why they still get new members is baffling to say the least. So this is the place I hang out when I have time. I would not stick around anyplace where I was mistreated. I would recommend everyone adopt that policy. This is a main reason why I rarely post in DF anymore, I saw horrible treatment of other members & the mods didn't seem to do squat. I saw a member here get banned on another forum, after people piled on him and he said what he believed in a untactful way. I haven't been on that forum again and I haven't followed that forums admin's blog or watched his videos as he turned out to be a hypocrite. The Admin Pete is one of the nicest people I've met on any forum, and he has worked hard to keep the peace here. He even asked me, Jakob Grimm & True Black Raven to stop bringing up odd74 and our unjust banning as he (TPD) didn't want Murkhill to be unwelcoming to members of that forum and they couldn't defend themselves. We complied with TPD's wishes, but when you go after people like mormonyoyoman, who is a wonderful person I don't give a shite if I offend members of odd74 here. What is happening is unjust. Frankly many of these ex-members who chose odd74 over Murkhill and Admin Pete because they feared to be banned there or elsewhere - you lot are cowards. If TPD deletes this post I'll understand & won't hold it against him at all - I love it here. The Admin Pete, mormonyoyoman, xizallian, Mighty Darci and others who embraced me after I joined, even though I was a opinionated fellow who was just getting into OD&D and Traveller. Add to this list Jakob Grimm, True Black Raven & others new to Murkhill who I've had wonderful conversations with since they joined; thank you all from the bottom of my heart. The last few months have been a bit rough for me and Murkhill has been a bastion for me. I am glad I am a member here & will stay as long as Murkhill lasts and you all will have me. |
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