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Post by mormonyoyoman on Jun 18, 2018 20:23:18 GMT -5
Wait. Did I just read that there's a PC from Tekumel (Autocorrect is giving me fits now!) who's been around since 1975 and hasn't been killed to death?
You're either a superb tactician, a superb player, or you rolled all 100s on 3d6 somehow.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2018 20:45:33 GMT -5
Wait. Did I just read that there's a PC from Tekumel (Autocorrect is giving me fits now!) who's been around since 1975 and hasn't been killed to death? You're either a superb tactician, a superb player, or you rolled all 100s on 3d6 somehow. You got it in one. Which is why the account of my adventures is going to go to 300,000 words; I've been around for a while. Yes, yes, and no. Ask Gronan. Phil used percentile dice. My stats, off my original 3 x 5 index card, are: STR 86, INT 98, CON 97, PSY 00, DEX 89, COM 12; Phil took one look, and told me that I was going to be a military sorceror. Period. So, I am. All rolls were done with Phil's dice, as I didn't have any yet, out in the open in front of the rest of the group. |
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Post by mormonyoyoman on Jun 18, 2018 21:03:38 GMT -5
Okay - NOW you're scary! I've never met anyone who survived Tekumel for more than a year. Me, I never survived more than a day. Stupid multi-level road!
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Post by True Black Raven on Jun 18, 2018 21:31:58 GMT -5
I think that people who are dedicated to the proposition that Arneson had zero contributions to D&D, who are dedicated to claiming D&D was created solely by Gygax, who are dedicated to smearing and impugning anyone who tries to expose the truth of Arneson's contributions and who have done everything they can to drive some of us from every platform, to ostracize, isolate and silence us and even threaten those who associate with us as something positive in the hobby is a bit much for me. Those same people attack Rob Kuntz at every turn and try to marginalize his every effort. That just scratches the surface. I can not accept that they serve any good purpose in the hobby. YMMV Revisionists gonna be revisionists. I am not concerned with those that really close themselves off into an echo chamber of their own un-reasoned, ill-imagined, intent. The bloggers and forum people do not represent something different than many of the vocal fan 'zines back in the day that were rattling about here or there to get attention and were just about as useless on the main if things became too political or divisive/exclusionary. Somehow many egoists these days think that they are experts on a history, a design process, that they were not even part of? It's quite laughable, actually. Their feet of clay "arguments" (i/e/, opinions) are for their isolated fan base that is either too lazy, or too ignorant, like in any other part of society, to actually get to the bottom of what is fact or fiction. This creates fan-fellowships and the resulting frictions between them, and not unlike what occurred between TSR and AH bitd. To that end and related to some degree, there was a famous ex-OSR-blogger who seemed to know much about everything, even Arneson (and myself, and whom I had to debunk or correct now and then), though he admitted that he had never interviewed him. The reason? Because Arneson wasn't available. Arneson was always available, just like Gygax; and just like myself (and I, too, was never interviewed by him). People just want to get noticed, I guess, and it's very superficial but not noteworthy for much else. The online community, much to the chagrin of those who would claim otherwise, does not represent the majority of people in the hobby or industry; it's only a small but vocal minority. Get to a major convention, even a medium-sized one, and that's where the action is, where the other-than-keyboard-noise-makers appear, where the real games and stories come pouring forth, and where politics and superficiality hold no sway whatsoever. But that is like it has always been, from BITD to now. Yeah, most people I know never go online to any of these forums or blogs. They don't even look at that part of Facebook. I have heard that the conventions are getting pretty pricey just to get into them these days. Most of the forums, that I have mostly lurked on for years with an occasional post now and then, are all becoming echo chambers where the longtime in crowd can bicker among themselves, but woe betide some newcomers that posts an unpopular view. |
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Post by dragondaddy on Jun 18, 2018 21:51:02 GMT -5
Okay - NOW you're scary! I've never met anyone who survived Tekumel for more than a year. Me, I never survived more than a day. Stupid multi-level road! What? Did you get drunk and fall off the high road? |
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Post by Hexenritter Verlag on Jun 18, 2018 22:04:46 GMT -5
True Black Raven said: Yup, I can attest to that.  Outside the occasional flirtation with DF, I rarely post anywhere but here & G+.
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Post by mormonyoyoman on Jun 18, 2018 22:21:26 GMT -5
Okay - NOW you're scary! I've never met anyone who survived Tekumel for more than a year. Me, I never survived more than a day. Stupid multi-level road! What? Did you get drunk and fall off the high road?Nope. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2018 23:14:34 GMT -5
He walked on a higher level of the Sakbe road than his status allowed him. That'll earn you a quick arrest and a slow impalement.
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Post by mormonyoyoman on Jun 19, 2018 0:26:08 GMT -5
Yup.
Ow.
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Post by Admin Pete on Jun 19, 2018 10:44:08 GMT -5
I think that people who are dedicated to the proposition that Arneson had zero contributions to D&D, who are dedicated to claiming D&D was created solely by Gygax, who are dedicated to smearing and impugning anyone who tries to expose the truth of Arneson's contributions and who have done everything they can to drive some of us from every platform, to ostracize, isolate and silence us and even threaten those who associate with us as something positive in the hobby is a bit much for me. Those same people attack Rob Kuntz at every turn and try to marginalize his every effort. That just scratches the surface. I can not accept that they serve any good purpose in the hobby. YMMV Revisionists gonna be revisionists. I am not concerned with those that really close themselves off into an echo chamber of their own un-reasoned, ill-imagined, intent. The bloggers and forum people do not represent something different than many of the vocal fan 'zines back in the day that were rattling about here or there to get attention and were just about as useless on the main if things became too political or divisive/exclusionary. Somehow many egoists these days think that they are experts on a history, a design process, that they were not even part of? It's quite laughable, actually. Their feet of clay "arguments" (i/e/, opinions) are for their isolated fan base that is either too lazy, or too ignorant, like in any other part of society, to actually get to the bottom of what is fact or fiction. This creates fan-fellowships and the resulting frictions between them, and not unlike what occurred between TSR and AH bitd. To that end and related to some degree, there was a famous ex-OSR-blogger who seemed to know much about everything, even Arneson (and myself, and whom I had to debunk or correct now and then), though he admitted that he had never interviewed him. The reason? Because Arneson wasn't available. Arneson was always available, just like Gygax; and just like myself (and I, too, was never interviewed by him). People just want to get noticed, I guess, and it's very superficial but not noteworthy for much else. The online community, much to the chagrin of those who would claim otherwise, does not represent the majority of people in the hobby or industry; it's only a small but vocal minority. Get to a major convention, even a medium-sized one, and that's where the action is, where the other-than-keyboard-noise-makers appear, where the real games and stories come pouring forth, and where politics and superficiality hold no sway whatsoever. But that is like it has always been, from BITD to now. That is all true; nevertheless, it would be preferable to have the truth widely available online rather than being difficult to impossible to find. |
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Post by robkuntz on Jun 19, 2018 12:14:26 GMT -5
Revisionists gonna be revisionists. I am not concerned with those that really close themselves off into an echo chamber of their own un-reasoned, ill-imagined, intent. The bloggers and forum people do not represent something different than many of the vocal fan 'zines back in the day that were rattling about here or there to get attention and were just about as useless on the main if things became too political or divisive/exclusionary. Somehow many egoists these days think that they are experts on a history, a design process, that they were not even part of? It's quite laughable, actually. Their feet of clay "arguments" (i/e/, opinions) are for their isolated fan base that is either too lazy, or too ignorant, like in any other part of society, to actually get to the bottom of what is fact or fiction. This creates fan-fellowships and the resulting frictions between them, and not unlike what occurred between TSR and AH bitd. To that end and related to some degree, there was a famous ex-OSR-blogger who seemed to know much about everything, even Arneson (and myself, and whom I had to debunk or correct now and then), though he admitted that he had never interviewed him. The reason? Because Arneson wasn't available. Arneson was always available, just like Gygax; and just like myself (and I, too, was never interviewed by him). People just want to get noticed, I guess, and it's very superficial but not noteworthy for much else. The online community, much to the chagrin of those who would claim otherwise, does not represent the majority of people in the hobby or industry; it's only a small but vocal minority. Get to a major convention, even a medium-sized one, and that's where the action is, where the other-than-keyboard-noise-makers appear, where the real games and stories come pouring forth, and where politics and superficiality hold no sway whatsoever. But that is like it has always been, from BITD to now. That is all true; nevertheless, it would be preferable to have the truth widely available online rather than being difficult to impossible to find. As much as I'd like to see this remedied I really believe that time itself is the cure. These enclaves of disinformation have a way of collapsing in upon themselves over time. Their hate and angst are exposed as the sophistry they are based upon. As Gronan alluded to, people don't want to hear the truth for the most part, so the best that can be done in that instance is to write and publish books upon the subject, produce documentaries, and give convention seminars that clarify real history and where fact is separated from opinion. I have done all three to date and will not stop. As for the Internet, as I mentioned, it is composed of polarized groups and represents probably less than 20% of the vast majority of those one needs to reach in order to place a top down pressure upon these otherwise vocal and recalcitrant minority views. The Internet is not the battleground for truth in this instance, far from it. It's about who is yelling the most and thus lacks the much needed axis for forwarding facts because of that. As a side note, remember "Bubble community"? This, as you will recall, is the SOP of the WILD WEST Internet. |
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Post by True Black Raven on Jun 19, 2018 15:21:22 GMT -5
As much as I'd like to see this remedied I really believe that time itself is the cure. These enclaves of disinformation have a way of collapsing in upon themselves over time. Their hate and angst are exposed as the sophistry they are based upon. As Gronan alluded to, people don't want to hear the truth for the most part, so the best that can be done in that instance is to write and publish books upon the subject, produce documentaries, and give convention seminars that clarify real history and where fact is separated from opinion. I have done all three to date and will not stop. As for the Internet, as I mentioned, it is composed of polarized groups and represents probably less than 20% of the vast majority of those one needs to reach in order to place a top down pressure upon these otherwise vocal and recalcitrant minority views. The Internet is not the battleground for truth in this instance, far from it. It's about who is yelling the most and thus lacks the much needed axis for forwarding facts because of that. As a side note, remember "Bubble community"? This, as you will recall, is the SOP of the WILD WEST Internet. Aren't some of the revisionists out there writing their own "history" books? Will you be addressing any of that in your books going forward? |
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Post by robkuntz on Jun 19, 2018 19:50:09 GMT -5
As much as I'd like to see this remedied I really believe that time itself is the cure. These enclaves of disinformation have a way of collapsing in upon themselves over time. Their hate and angst are exposed as the sophistry they are based upon. As Gronan alluded to, people don't want to hear the truth for the most part, so the best that can be done in that instance is to write and publish books upon the subject, produce documentaries, and give convention seminars that clarify real history and where fact is separated from opinion. I have done all three to date and will not stop. As for the Internet, as I mentioned, it is composed of polarized groups and represents probably less than 20% of the vast majority of those one needs to reach in order to place a top down pressure upon these otherwise vocal and recalcitrant minority views. The Internet is not the battleground for truth in this instance, far from it. It's about who is yelling the most and thus lacks the much needed axis for forwarding facts because of that. As a side note, remember "Bubble community"? This, as you will recall, is the SOP of the WILD WEST Internet. Aren't some of the revisionists out there writing their own "history" books? Will you be addressing any of that in your books going forward? I will tell of my experiences as I have always done; let the fans and readers sort it out. I am not building a case against revisionism but one based on the undeniable facts. |
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Post by mormonyoyoman on Jun 20, 2018 6:57:34 GMT -5
In the 21st century, we can democratically reboot history whenever we want, and never remember our previous histories. Hail Big Brother, life is Marvel or DC comics.
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Post by xizallian on Jun 21, 2018 8:06:18 GMT -5
I like this place, I have little time to even look a forum and I am glad to have a drama free place to go where things I like are not under attack. Even if I am not logging in I support this place!
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Post by mao on Jun 21, 2018 8:40:48 GMT -5
I love both anarchy and mini's, so I guess Im a big time heretic
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Post by Admin Pete on Jun 21, 2018 8:54:38 GMT -5
I love both anarchy and mini's, so I guess Im a big time heretic I don't think either of those have anything to do with your heretic status!  |
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Post by mao on Jun 21, 2018 9:00:45 GMT -5
I love both anarchy and mini's, so I guess Im a big time heretic I don't think either of those have anything to do with your heretic status! i spit coffee out my nose! |
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Post by Admin Pete on Jun 21, 2018 10:18:46 GMT -5
I don't think either of those have anything to do with your heretic status! i spit coffee out my nose! I am happy to be of service, you are welcome! |
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Post by mormonyoyoman on Jun 21, 2018 10:25:37 GMT -5
I like this place, I have little time to even look a forum and I am glad to have a drama free place to go where things I like are not under attack. Even if I am not logging in I support this place! That earned an exalt! Am at the Big Boy computer and can do that sort of thing. |
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Post by Admin Pete on Jun 21, 2018 16:10:01 GMT -5
Am at the Big Boy computer and can do that sort of thing. What sort of thing? |
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Post by Bandersnatch on Jun 21, 2018 16:31:58 GMT -5
Am at the Big Boy computer and can do that sort of thing. What sort of thing? Sordid things, Oh My! |
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Post by mormonyoyoman on Jun 21, 2018 19:00:38 GMT -5
Am at the Big Boy computer and can do that sort of thing. What sort of thing? Exalterating sorts of things. |
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Post by dilvish on Jun 21, 2018 21:20:53 GMT -5
Exalterating sorts of things. Like he said, sordid things. |
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Post by robkuntz on Jun 21, 2018 22:06:24 GMT -5
Exalterating sorts of things. Like he said, sordid things. Glad that was sorted out. |
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Post by Admin Pete on Jun 21, 2018 22:28:32 GMT -5
Like he said, sordid things. Glad that was sorted out. I think it was sorted out way more than was necessary. |
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Post by robkuntz on Jun 21, 2018 22:30:04 GMT -5
Glad that was sorted out. I think it was sorted out way more than was necessary. Are you then post-sorting? (double entendre intended). |
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Post by Admin Pete on Jun 21, 2018 22:39:04 GMT -5
I think it was sorted out way more than was necessary. Are you then post-sorting? (double entendre intended). This is bringing on sorting sickness due to this sorting problem, but what sorting tales I'll have to tell. |
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Post by Q Man on Jun 24, 2018 13:22:34 GMT -5
Now that is a sordid mess.
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Post by mormonyoyoman on Jun 24, 2018 17:19:27 GMT -5
What Sore did or didn't do was probably Loki's fault.
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Outside the occasional flirtation with DF, I rarely post anywhere but here & G+. 
