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Post by DFL_GM on Aug 9, 2022 10:38:40 GMT -5
Great thread! Creativity once common, is becoming rarer by the day as pubic education fulfills its mission of ending creativity. Having recently completed public school (high school) I have to say that the whole goal of public education is to beat every ounce of creativity out of us. Most of us guys anyway are leaving school almost fatally discouraged and only a few of us heard fairy tales as kids and our creativity and hope are on life support. I have been reading this forum since I found it and it has been like a cold drink of water on a hot day.
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Post by DFL_GM on Aug 9, 2022 10:39:39 GMT -5
These days the child who survives is rare. I don't know, maybe it was rare in her day too.
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Post by DFL_GM on Aug 9, 2022 10:41:34 GMT -5
Can we clone him for our school boards?
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Post by DFL_GM on Aug 9, 2022 10:45:26 GMT -5
I agree, this is perhaps the ultimate truth of this thread.
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Post by DFL_GM on Aug 9, 2022 10:46:20 GMT -5
Wow! Have an exalt for sharing this.
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Post by DFL_GM on Aug 9, 2022 10:48:06 GMT -5
I don't think it is so much that we are letting the creativity be beat out of us, but it is more that most don't know there is a choice.
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Post by DFL_GM on Aug 9, 2022 10:55:32 GMT -5
mao , from reading the forum here for quite a while, I think the problem is that you have been playing with DMs and should have been playing with Refs. My take from reading the forum is that Refs are the hard core old school guys, where DMs range from kinda, sorta, maybe old school to the hardest of the hard core new school. If I understand several of the oldest Refs on here, anything after OD&D is not entirely old school and anything Gygax said after about mid 1976 is more likely to be focused on making money, than on promoting old school gaming. If you have found DM to be "Dungeon Mediocre" it just means, seems to me, that they were just not old school regardless of what they claimed. I do no not think that is the problem as I played will 5-7 "refs" before the players hand book and they all sucked so much. Wow, well maybe since you are so creative, most people's stuff sucks by comparison, so any game you play in has a steep hill to climb and a high bar to meet.
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Post by mao on Aug 9, 2022 12:03:31 GMT -5
I do no not think that is the problem as I played will 5-7 "refs" before the players hand book and they all sucked so much. Wow, well maybe since you are so creative, most people's stuff sucks by comparison, so any game you play in has a steep hill to climb and a high bar to meet. I feel you are correct in me setting a high bar, I also look down on modual users(unfair on my part, a lot of peeps just don't have the time)..At the same time I am highly critical of myself, out of every 30 players I find'One will end up stayng. . I see DMing as a kind of performane art and I would be Salvador Dohli
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Post by Penny Wise on Aug 9, 2022 14:35:43 GMT -5
Great thread and a ton of great quotes.
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Post by Bad to the Bone on Sept 3, 2022 15:32:08 GMT -5
I could not agree with the OP more. Nailed it, have an exalt.
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Post by Death Even XIII on Sept 28, 2022 20:29:29 GMT -5
I think what you are missing is ever having the chance to play in a game run by a real old school gamer out in the real world. IMO it would be a rare thing indeed to find an old school game at a con even pre-1980. Truly old school DMs have always been a rare commodity. Not sure. At least I learned under an old guy when was 17, ufortunatl I only ver played w him a handfull of tmesThat is, my guess, the problem, you only played with him a handful of times. Maybe your view would be different if you had played with him for several years and been mentored by him as a DM.
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Post by Death Even XIII on Sept 28, 2022 20:30:42 GMT -5
Bunch of great quotes Gawaine, have an exalt.
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Post by mao on Sept 29, 2022 4:09:36 GMT -5
Not sure. At least I learned under an old guy when was 17, ufortunatl I only ver played w him a handfull of tmesThat is, my guess, the problem, you only played with him a handful of times. Maybe your view would be different if you had played with him for several years and been mentored by him as a DM. I know that when I started DMing, I had learned enuff that I had surpassed him, and he acknowledge it. It's actually interesting that he let me run so soon. He knew he had taught me well from many long calls filled with questions and wisdom. I never really thought about it but what did he have to go by when e made his world/mega dungeon? His world view colored his world as it was flawed in being far too lawful. maybe if he had somebody's shoulders to stand on like I had such a head up. I also did not have his severe health problems. No, as I look at all as I had a firm, excellent start, so, again no that's not the problem. I really think that I had a great start, it just went off the rails later, but that's another story, for another time.
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Post by The Perilous Dreamer on Sept 29, 2022 11:33:27 GMT -5
That is, my guess, the problem, you only played with him a handful of times. Maybe your view would be different if you had played with him for several years and been mentored by him as a DM. I know that when I started DMing, I had learned enuff that I had surpassed him, and he acknowledge it. It's actually interesting that he let me run so soon. He knew he had taught me well from many long calls filled with questions and wisdom. I never really thought about it but what did he have to go by when e made his world/mega dungeon? His world view colored his world as it was flawed in being far too lawful. maybe if he had somebody's shoulders to stand on like I had such a head up. I also did not have his severe health problems. No, as I look at all as I had a firm, excellent start, so, again no that's not the problem. I really think that I had a great start, it just went off the rails later, but that's another story, for another time. What is the world being "too" lawful a flaw? I didn't have anything to go by when I started either, but it seemed to work out fine, people had fun.
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Post by Death Even XIII on Sept 29, 2022 18:09:48 GMT -5
I know that when I started DMing, I had learned enuff that I had surpassed him, and he acknowledge it. It's actually interesting that he let me run so soon. He knew he had taught me well from many long calls filled with questions and wisdom. I never really thought about it but what did he have to go by when e made his world/mega dungeon? His world view colored his world as it was flawed in being far too lawful. maybe if he had somebody's shoulders to stand on like I had such a head up. I also did not have his severe health problems. No, as I look at all as I had a firm, excellent start, so, again no that's not the problem. I really think that I had a great start, it just went off the rails later, but that's another story, for another time. What is the world being "too" lawful a flaw? I didn't have anything to go by when I started either, but it seemed to work out fine, people had fun. Yes, mao, why is that a flaw. Lawful does not mean goody two shoes or even nice. Lawful could be pretty brutal.
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Post by mao on Oct 2, 2022 4:09:36 GMT -5
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Post by The Perilous Dreamer on Oct 2, 2022 7:56:54 GMT -5
That would not prevent them from being really bad guys. Most dictators and tyrants are very lawful. Some are Chaotic, but most are Lawful.
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Post by mao on Oct 2, 2022 7:59:20 GMT -5
That would not prevent them from being really bad guys. Most dictators and tyrants are very lawful. Some are Chaotic, but most are Lawful. I didn't say they weren't bad guys, Everything and every one, absolutely EVERYTHING!
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Post by The Perilous Dreamer on Oct 2, 2022 8:01:06 GMT -5
That would not prevent them from being really bad guys. Most dictators and tyrants are very lawful. Some are Chaotic, but most are Lawful. I didn't say they weren't bad guys, Everything and every one, absolutely EVERYTHING! I am not seeing the problem, unless your players also chose to be bad guys too. In which case they would pay the price.
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Post by mao on Oct 2, 2022 8:39:25 GMT -5
The BIRDS are Lawful, THe Fish are lowful,Ubdead are lawful, Dogs are lawful
I am done w this
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