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Post by randyb on Jul 5, 2017 7:19:35 GMT -5
For the vary fact that the majority of women did not like, back then, playing with little toy soldiers. Some of us had a GI Joe and a Barbie, poor Ken, he couldn't compete.  Nah. Ken was the "guy back home" while GI Joe was deployed.  |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2017 18:12:54 GMT -5
For the vary fact that the majority of women did not like, back then, playing with little toy soldiers. Some of us had a GI Joe and a Barbie, poor Ken, he couldn't compete. Chicks go for a man in uniform. |
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Post by robkuntz on Jul 12, 2017 18:28:46 GMT -5
Some of us had a GI Joe and a Barbie, poor Ken, he couldn't compete. Chicks go for a man in uniform. Righto! "Would you like that super-sized? Is that for here or to go?"... |
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Post by Von on Jul 14, 2017 4:52:58 GMT -5
I ignore people who can't get basic facts right. Pop Culture "Journalists" are to be ignored the same way all inflated ego closed minded know-it-all's are to be ignored. I know of her and have long ignored her. If you are going to publish articles that purport to be serious journalism you should start by doing the research, which she obviously did not. As xizallian said, if you think " D&D is a mens club full of rapists, pornography, and racism" then you need to find a new group to play with and choose your friends more wisely. Quite. The only reason I care about the scum of the hobby (who do exist: I have met them and now avoid them like the plague) is that I'm tainted by association with them. "I'm not like those guys, okay? Functional gamers only at this table." This is what it comes down to for me. Functional gamers only. I seldom run games without at least one female player (my other half likes her one-offs and short runs although she says a proper campaign "feels like homework") and when I do they're invariably dysfunctional. I think the menfolk make more effort and behave themselves and sometimes even have a wash if there are women at the table, all of which is salutary as far as I'm concerned. |
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Post by Admin Pete on Jul 14, 2017 9:46:37 GMT -5
I ignore people who can't get basic facts right. Pop Culture "Journalists" are to be ignored the same way all inflated ego closed minded know-it-all's are to be ignored. I know of her and have long ignored her. If you are going to publish articles that purport to be serious journalism you should start by doing the research, which she obviously did not. As xizallian said, if you think " D&D is a mens club full of rapists, pornography, and racism" then you need to find a new group to play with and choose your friends more wisely. Quite. The only reason I care about the scum of the hobby (who do exist: I have met them and now avoid them like the plague) is that I'm tainted by association with them. "I'm not like those guys, okay? Functional gamers only at this table." This is what it comes down to for me. Functional gamers only. I seldom run games without at least one female player (my other half likes her one-offs and short runs although she says a proper campaign "feels like homework") and when I do they're invariably dysfunctional. I think the menfolk make more effort and behave themselves and sometimes even have a wash if there are women at the table, all of which is salutary as far as I'm concerned. I have had better luck than most, I have never had a problem at my table with men or women or children as to their behavior towards their fellow gamers or towards me. I hear about people and how they create a bad image for the hobby, but have never personally dealt with any of them. I always have women in my game and usually 40-50% of the players and the only difference I really see in play between men, women and children is the frame of reference they bring to the table and that is different for each person. A good mix generates the most inventive and enjoyable game IMO. |
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Post by Mighty Darci on Jul 18, 2017 11:29:32 GMT -5
and when I do they're invariably dysfunctional. My dad just won't play with anyone who wants to go there. |
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Post by Hexenritter Verlag on Feb 4, 2018 2:04:05 GMT -5
Cecilia D'Anastasio is a cancer on the RPG & video-game (maybe even on comics too)communities. She uses her third wave Social Justice identity politics to cause division in these communities. I've watched some of her videos that are nearly all have comments turned off & she says the most insane stuff. Accusing the creators & fans of being racist, sexist & what ever garbage tag she can in order to make these communities more "Inclusive".
I've gamed with women, homosexuals & will be blessed to have non-white player join my games - my games are hate free zones, I just won't tolerate it. My worlds have slavery, victims of rape, & racism, but it is in the context of the world. None of my players will be raped, but the threat might be present (male or female) IF it makes sense to the story but I'll likely give the player or players an out (a weapon to use to defend themselves or a person who will save them). But as a survivor of rape myself I'd never use it in a crass manner.
Most of my home brew settings are designed to have reasons why there are "non-white" human ethnicities to play if a non-white player desires one. I hate how a lot of fantasy movies & new comics have non-white characters without a world building rational; so I come up a in game rational. I have gay npcs in my games & other such things. To me it is natural - but so is guys choosing to play Conan type characters.
Most of my past players are Left-of-Center but I am a radical Libertarian & patriot, so as long as we don't talk politics we are good - I believe in treating people with basic Human basic dignity & respect whether I agree with them or not. Cecilia D'Anastasio just needs to stop spewing her identity politics based rubbish.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2018 14:26:56 GMT -5
Everyone wishing to play a game is welcome at my table.
People looking to convert others to a point of view; whether it be selling their brand of Jesus, insurance, or social reform, et al., will be asked once to stop. Maybe even twice. Sooner or later, it will result in an ouster from the group.
I believe important social or political issues should be discussed, I just don’t believe the gaming table is the place for the discussion.
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Post by Hexenritter Verlag on Feb 4, 2018 16:50:13 GMT -5
To be more clear - I am a person who likes consistent rationals in world building. Tokenism for diversity sake irks me. I am all for diversity in film, comics & RPGs BUT it should have a realistic logic to it & not feel forced. Take the following as an example: How did Haradrim & other ethnic peoples reach Lake Town, a very small northern isolated town in the Hobbit films? (especially when they are portrayed as hostile in the lore?) Did it offend me? No, but from the world building point of view it irks me if it seems forced. In my games, knowing people of color might want to play characters that are representative of them - I make it possible via world building in a rational organic fashion. I try to create reasons a dark skinned person will live in a northern clime - are they ex-slaves or merchants or they descended from citizens of a vast Empire whose family migrated or were sent north by their Emperor? Having studied Near Eastern History & religion - you see migrations, trading & diplomatic excursions leading to organic movements of peoples. When there is a mixed race cast in a default European inspired setting with non-rhyme or reason it forces me out of the show because I start trying to figure out the in world whys & hows. Then take 'the Shannara Chronicles' show with a vibrant mixed race cast, since I know it is set after a cataclysm in our own world & set in North America after magic reentered the world, it makes perfect sense to me. No issues with it. It is just how my mind works - I need a logical rational for it; otherwise it pulls me out of the show, comic, novel or game to one degree or another. Lets now take the Thor movies with a black Heimdall - was I offended? Did it keep me from enjoying the film? No, it was just jarring that it seemed forced. In the comics, I liked how Marvel used logical story telling to explain why the Falcon became the new Captain America & how Kamala Khan replaced Carol Danvers as Miss Marvel, it wasn't forced but done in a respectful & organic fashion. Most of the shows I love & comics I read have mixed race casts so POC are not my issue. Hell in my post I clearly stated my tables are hate free zones, where anyone is welcome, whether they are homosexual, POC or even Democrat I'll treat you all with basic human dignity & respect. I am sorry if my choice of words offended anyone, it wasn't the intent at all. Things keep changing so fast you never know if something will offend someone. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2018 8:01:01 GMT -5
Just a gentle reminder from your global moderator: we’re a diverse group of intelligent persons united by our love of a fantasy game with wizards and goblins. This particular topic can evoke strong emotions in some readers. Let’s all be cognizant of that while also remembering typed words can come across differently (and more strongly) than actual conversation. Your board owner and your mods want to encourage discussion, so we don’t want to censure people or lock threads. Let’s all think twice and post once!  |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2018 17:34:38 GMT -5
Okay. In a way, the person mentioned in the OP is right; I have met some truly loathsome people involved in gaming.
That is because "people involved in gaming" is a subset of "people," and some people are truly loathsome.
Her category error is assigning the cause of loathsomeness to RPGs. It is an easy mistake to make, because I've walked away from entire tables full of moral lepers in my years of gaming. I've known a LOT of women who are very, very careful about the company they keep most of the time, and can see easily how they could mistakenly assume the reason they meet all these spiritual toads in RPGs has something to do with RPGs.
But it is a mistake.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2018 18:08:37 GMT -5
On a semi-related note? I see this, Michael, as a by-product of schools placing decreased emphasis on instruction in logic and debate. Folks simply cannot construct a chain of logic and create a cogent argument. Everything becomes “the best ever” or “the worst ever” and phrases such as “my truth” are uttered without a trace of disbelief on the speaker’s part.
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Post by ripx187 on Feb 5, 2018 18:27:31 GMT -5
sixdemonbag I believe that all Hexenritter Verlag was talking about was that he prefers to have a realistic racial migration, something that I have never thought about before but find interesting. I saw nothing racist in any comment that he made. If you want to play a Japanese fighter, then this act alone will invent an in-game Japan. How does this fighter get to our setting? Is it trade routes? Was the fighter's family excommunicated in some way? I'd make the player answer this question, or the DM can just say No. Maybe there is a Japan, maybe there isn't. Maybe Japan just hasn't discovered our setting yet? The default game that most of us are playing is a pseudo-European setting the way that we wish it was. That alone implies that the default is pasty white people. In the World of Greyhawk, it goes out of its way to let us know that the wild head-hunting savages in the Amedo Jungles are "WHITE". This was clearly a company looking to avoid trouble. Nothing is going to stop a DM from ignoring this comment and changing the skins of Amendo savages a couple of shades darker. We aren't all playing some politically correct game, we are simulating pulp fiction, besides, who is it that says that the image of a proud Nubian warrior is incorrect anyway? The racial cultures of Africa are just as interesting and diverse as the caucasian. We can just as easily set our Default there, are we pigs because we don't? I know in my own games I try to not force some rose-tinted version of the past. We cannot judge our ancesters, or even our fathers, by holding them up to modern standards of acceptable behavior. We can use this game to explore ideas and situations that challenge us with culture shock. My current game takes place in 1890, and my players are in British occupied Burma, this is not a nice place, and I refuse to run it as such. As DM I am learning a ton of information during my research, I do my best to bring this to the table. This is conflict. I let the players know that if they lose a character than their next PC MUST be Burmese. Is this a racist requirement? I have always required Player Character's to be drawn from the local racial stock and native to the area of play. Not to say that you can't play something different, but I prefer it if you didn't. It gets more interesting for the game the further you get from home. Does this make me a racist or just somebody who wants things to make some kind of sense? Some kind of sense. That is all 666 was talking about, and it is interesting to me. I know that in my own Fantasy games I have static racial areas. "This land here belongs to the Elves, this land here is controlled by dark-skinned merchant kings." How did those dark-skinned merchant kings get there . . . I never thought about it. I just put them there. Why are they surrounded by angry white guys? I don't know. Now that I think about it, either Forgotten Realms or Greyhawk (I can't remember which) detailed the ancient migration in the background notes. When the white people displaced the elf just by being human and needing someplace to live. Racial tensions belong in the game, but, like you said Six-Finger, they don't belong at the table. I don't think that that is what 666 was implying.
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Post by Hexenritter Verlag on Feb 5, 2018 18:52:09 GMT -5
I honestly appreciate your candid response. I do. You didn't have to take the time to explain yourself, but you did, so thank you. I genuinely value a good, civil discussion. I don't agree with your particular philosophies when it comes to modern art and media, but that's okay too. In all fairness and respect to you, I'll voice my reasons for disagreeing below. So, I'll just say this and then exit this thread since I don't have an opinion on the OP or the original topic: 1. If I ever need special DM justification for playing a character with a "darker" skin tone in a make-believe, FANTASY (as you claimed) elf-game, when a "white" character does not, I'm leaving that table immediately without saying a word. I wouldn't feel comfortable in a "whites only by default, all others will need a reason to be here" fantasy game. Period. I hope this isn't the case in your games.* No one should need such a DMs justification - I've played POC characters even though I am not one. My games are open - I don't care what your character looks like. Now if you want a purple complected character in a traditional fantasy setting, I'd raise a eyebrow but try to figure out how to make it work within the context of the campaign. Now if you wanted to play a child rapo or rapo in general I'd tell you to get the F out of my house. *Proper justification in an actual historical setting is very acceptable and, in fact, probably necessary, of course. If I go into a game knowing that it's trying to emulate actual human history and geography, then fair enough by me. Otherwise, I'm out. 2. I don't think your "non-white" friend would appreciate being called that without their knowing. I bet you don't refer to your friend as a "non-white" when you interact in person. "Hi everyone!! This is my non-white friend, Bob! Look at how progressive I am!!" To be "honored" to have a "non-white" at your table is some truly abhorrent virtue-signaling. I wonder if your friend likewise feels "honored" to be at a "white's" table? Okay, poor word choice. I don't care what someone's "color" or ethnic background is & I'd never refer to them as such...who would? I should've said anyone. Again poor word choice, but you seem to be the only one offended by it. My Peruvian ex, would know her ethnic background & it would be self evident to anyone I introduced her to, or the black woman I was in love with for years. I only used the clumsy wordage in a post to convey a point, frankly my blood was up - still i should've used better judgment. I don't see how being honored to have a POC person at my table is in anyway abhorrent, let alone virtue signalling. It would be an honor, maybe you have a different definition of honor than I do. Frankly I do not understand how my word usage in a post equates me as a person who deem it acceptable do as you suggested it just stupid. 3. To assume that a black actor wasn't the best, most qualified, and bankable person for the job, is disrespectful at best. Asgaard, as depicted in the movie, is an alien planet and thus, has no relation to our Earth's various populations, phenotypes, or history. You see Idris Elba as a token, but that's your reality and prejudice. No one said Idres wasn't the best person for the role, but to have a Nordic God portrayed by someone not of Nordic persuasion was jarring initially but I got over it. But I now don't sweat it if Marvel chooses to cast for their movies anymore. I like Idres in other roles fine, he is a talented actor. I'd rather see Idres playing a meatier role than a side character with a few lines. He was brilliant in Luther & I enjoyed him in every film I've seen him in. But the issue is taking a established character & going, our cast isn't diverse enough, lets cast ___ (fill in the blank), is what irks me. People would be bitching if Marvel cast a European man as Black Panther & rightly so. 4. To associate "ethnic" people in The Hobbit movies as being somehow "out-of-place" because it looks cold outside is severe stereotyping based on real-world Earth populations and climates. Middle-Earth is NOT our world and bringing your real-world bigotry/stereotypes into Middle-Earth is highly nonsensical and illogical. No rationale is necessary beyond: here's the town and here are it's people and these are the extras we decided to hire because this isn't a real place and never claimed to be. WOW my real world bigotry, it is not nonsensical if you take the lore of the the Hobbit & Lord of the Rings in which the Haradim are hostile & vassals of Mordor. Yes it isn't the real world but there is an established canon lore to Middle Earth that mirrors ours. I really enjoyed the movie but as a person who loves to world build & I try to use real world realities to inform my designs - so I raised an eyebrow, then went back to enjoying it. 5. I frankly do not understand or agree with your preoccupation and obsession with justifying "non-white" skin color in your games, art, and media. Griping about a fictional person's skin color is unnecessary and borderline inappropriate in an RPG forum. But, if that's where you want to spend your energy, go for it. I don't have an obsession with justifying anything - but as a world builder I like to know the whys & hows. Outside Tasilanta & Wilderlands most settings are based on real world assumptions to one degree or another. I've been on a few forums & seen people debate the real world counter parts for the human ethnicities of Greyhawk & how they portray them. If a fantasy world wants to portray their humans or human like peoples in pastel shades I am cool with it. As I said above as a world builder I am intrigued by the whys & hows of world design - I can enjoy media that does things differently & stated I am not offended by them. It is how my mind works - I get analytical when it comes to world building especially in fantasy. But I do get irked if an established character is changed for no other reason than to be diverse. The latest Spider-man movie is an example, they fused the Peter Parker Spider-man back story with the Miles Morales one; replaced one MJ for another & replaced Aunt may for a younger actress. How will they introduce Miles now? He has been made redundant now. That said I enjoyed the film. I'll enjoy Deadpool too even though they changed Domino. Please don't take this as anything but constructive criticism and food-for-thought. I might very well be wrong and horribly misguided myself. Carry on... Ultimately I don't care with the color of the skin of the actor or fiction character is in general - we were discussing what the OP & I stated my opinion; which offended you. I deemed I should reply to your concerns but they seem to give you the idea I am a race obsessed bigot - which I am not. I am just a guy who uses real world realities to inform my world design but I don't allow it to keep me from enjoying things. In fact, in my old home brew there were a number of unique races inspired by Talislanta. My Elves are diverse but again it depends on what part of the world they are in; the only exception are Vos-Elves (rootless Elves) whose connection to the Fey World severed, their skin goes pale with a bluish tinge & their hair turns black; while High Elves go mad & become Warhammer Fantasy like Dark Elves. If a person sits at my table they are treated with basic human dignity & respect no matter who they are - as long as you are not a asshole or Nazi that is. All i want to have is fun, I want my players to have fun & I'll try to accommodate their wishes on the types a character they want to play. If it doesn't exist in the setting I've created I'll find a way unless it is something wretched. I wish you well & this is the last time I'll post on the subject unless I feel I am being unjustly maligned. I covered my world building philosophy & view on films & media. I do wish you a good day SixDemonBag. |
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Post by robkuntz on Feb 5, 2018 19:30:28 GMT -5
RPX187 said: "Now that I think about it, either Forgotten Realms or Greyhawk (I can't remember which) detailed the ancient migration in the background notes. When the white people displaced the elf just by being human and needing someplace to live. Racial tensions belong in the game, but, like you said Six-Finger, they don't belong at the table. I don't think that that is what 666 was implying. "
It was Greyhawk with its migration angle histories. Gary was assessing the history of migration in forming the Flaeness and thus the current, starting, cultural and racial spreads.
World Building can be as in depth as you wish it to be, tracing the rise and fall of civilizations, cultures and what not. I've done the same back history in my World of Kalibruhn, so I immediately understood what ebon666heart was siding with.
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Post by Admin Pete on Feb 5, 2018 19:40:27 GMT -5
I am sorry if my choice of words offended anyone, it wasn't the intent at all. Things keep changing so fast you never know if something will offend someone. For what it is worth, I understood exactly what you meant the first time. I too find that things that are done gratuitously are jarring. I was rather taken aback to learn that the term "non-white" is offensive, personally I find the term "POC" to be offensive. But now that I think about it "non-white" and "POC" are the same thing, vague terms that do not convey any useful information IMO. A quite a few years back I found out that the term "Oriental" is offensive. Considering that I grew up with the terms "Orient" and "Occident", I find that very strange. Westerners after all are "Occidentals", and no one I have heard of considers that offensive. I won't, but I could make a list of words with much different meanings than the ones I learned in school. I have always found it strange that words that used to have a positive meaning, now have negative meanings, along with other words that used to be completely neutral are also now negative. In some ways though, I am more offended by words that used to be highly negative and now they are used as positive. See Orient "Oriental" means generally "eastern". See the Occident "Occident" means generally "western". IMC, I don't ask the players what color their character is and it also has no in game effect in anyway. I have (before I shut my game down due to health) had people of many different persuasions IMC and now that I think of it, I have never had a player ever in over 40 years that was playing a human character or demi-human character says anything about the skin color of the character - not even once, and that is true across all the players I have had of various skin colors. My experience has been that no one cares. |
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Post by Admin Pete on Feb 5, 2018 20:16:21 GMT -5
Please don't accuse other people of being racists or bigots. There has been nothing posted by anyone in this thread to justify such extreme claims directed at anyone. In addition, there are many forums where the thought police rule supreme, this is not one of them. No one is free to push a racist or bigoted view here, and if you really think someone is then report the post and let staff deal with it. Period. Also bear in mind that you can take fictional world that mirrors the worst parts of the real world and create an exciting place for people to play. IMC when slavers show up, my players take great pleasure in wiping them out, etc.
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Post by Admin Pete on Feb 5, 2018 20:21:13 GMT -5
sixdemonbag I believe that all Hexenritter Verlag was talking about was that he prefers to have a realistic racial migration, something that I have never thought about before but find interesting. I saw nothing racist in any comment that he made. If you want to play a Japanese fighter, then this act alone will invent an in-game Japan. How does this fighter get to our setting? Is it trade routes? Was the fighter's family excommunicated in some way? I'd make the player answer this question, or the DM can just say No. Maybe there is a Japan, maybe there isn't. Maybe Japan just hasn't discovered our setting yet? Something that I have not consciously thought about IMC is realistic racial migration, but it is interesting and reviewing things, I see that I addressed that in game with all the humans and non-humans without even thinking about it, it was a given that I didn't even think about, I just did it. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2018 20:44:30 GMT -5
Something that I have not consciously thought about IMC is realistic racial migration, but it is interesting and reviewing things, I see that I addressed that in game with all the humans and non-humans without even thinking about it, it was a given that I didn't even think about, I just did it. I've used the migrations of the humans, as in the human race, in to The Realms due to only the demi-humans being there up to that point. Thus, humans walk into centuries of conflict between the demi-humans and all their associated baggage coming with that warfare. Unfortunately for mankind, they appear at (more or less) the same time as the various goblinoid tribes. Guilt by association, etc. The only race I didn't explain the origins of was the holbytlan (the hobbits). They were discovered in their quiet little shires, insisting they've "always been here!" My nod to ol' Professor JRRT. |
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Post by Hexenritter Verlag on Feb 5, 2018 21:58:10 GMT -5
I use POC because it is the preferred term for "People of Color", you read enough stuff concerning politics & such you pick up the lingo. On facebook there are POC cosplayer groups - literally called that or Cosplayers of color. I try to use POC if I deal with it because it is preferred by members of the younger generations. If you listen to some of the speeches at the various award shows you'll hear black/Latino (ect actresses or actors referring to Women of Color or People of color. But it so hard to have such conversations without someone being offended.
In general i don't ask what their character's skin tone is, but I will inform them of the various ethnic groups in my world & what they look like. During our first session I have the players describe their characters, some refer to their complexion, other do not. I simply give them options to pick from with cultural write ups on cultures tied to them. As I've said I study Near eastern History & Religion, so that informs my world building, with migrations of the various peoples. Fantasy worlds would be very boring if they were all the same & lacked diverse cultures. I like to create deep setting it is how I design, the fact my past players ignore much of what I create doesn't mean I won't do it. It also helps me ground my adventures in a past that gives me plenty to work with, in which my players enjoy learning nuggets of lore.
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Post by Admin Pete on Feb 5, 2018 22:14:13 GMT -5
I use POC because it is the preferred term for "People of Color", you read enough stuff concerning politics & such you pick up the lingo. On facebook there are POC cosplayer groups - literally called that or Cosplayers of color. I try to use POC if I deal with it because it is preferred by members of the younger generations. If you listen to some of the speeches at the various award shows you'll hear black/Latino (ect actresses or actors referring to Women of Color or People of color. But it so hard to have such conversations without someone being offended. In general i don't ask what their character's skin tone is, but I will inform them of the various ethnic groups in my world & what they look like. During our first session I have the players describe their characters, some refer to their complexion, other do not. I simply give them options to pick from with cultural write ups on cultures tied to them. As I've said I study Near eastern History & Religion, so that informs my world building, with migrations of the various peoples. Fantasy worlds would be very boring if they were all the same & lacked diverse cultures. I like to create deep setting it is how I design, the fact my past players ignore much of what I create doesn't mean I won't do it. It also helps me ground my adventures in a past that gives me plenty to work with, in which my players enjoy learning nuggets of lore. Yeah, I understand exactly where you are coming from, part of it for me is that POC brings other phrases to mind for me and "people of color" is third on the list of what it brings to mind for me and the first two are insults. It is hard for me to be comfortable using POC as a descriptive for a person when it has a different very negative primary meaning for me that much predates the use with the current popular meaning. |
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Post by ripx187 on Feb 5, 2018 22:34:13 GMT -5
Language is always changing. It irritates me. I work with the mentally retarded, a few decades ago somebody decided that since school children and adults call each other retards that this term which was a diagnosis which separated low IQ and other various learning disabilities was now a derogatory statement. It was now called "developmentally challenged" a term which was quickly also taken by school kids and their equally sophomoric adult counterparts. Today people insist on calling the mentally retarded "autistic", which itself is a specific form of mental illness. It is now impossible to know what kind of treatment a person needs without each professional who works with them needing to rediagnose the same person over and over again. This means that these fine folks aren't getting the proper care that they would had had if you would had just left well enough alone.
Racially, it is the same messed up people who insist on calling people Of African Descent, despite that an individual is a 6th generation American.
There is a very naughty word that people don't like which my family uses for when you are working way to hard or forced to do an unreasonable task. Nobody seems to hear the context, just this ugly word.
I often think that most racial comments and offensive slurrs primarily exist in the minds of those that take offense to them. Not to say that bigots aren't real and don't deserve to get the snot kicked out of them. They do, but I like to think that those people are the exception, not the rule.
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Post by Admin Pete on Feb 6, 2018 10:36:00 GMT -5
Starting at this point I moved several posts to their own thread in the hope that we can get this thread back on topic, I made a judgment call about where to split the thread - global mods let me know if you think I should have split it at some earlier point.
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Post by mormonyoyoman on Feb 6, 2018 13:35:06 GMT -5
Most effectively if you had split it somewhere around 9000 BC at 10:45 pm (mountain standard time) - but I've been informed that the further from a time differentiated point one balances, the less likely a significant positive development or restoration.
Carry on.
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Post by colinouchou on Feb 8, 2018 9:44:41 GMT -5
I've gamed with women, homosexuals & will be blessed to have non-white player join my games - my games are hate free zones, I just won't tolerate it. My worlds have slavery, victims of rape, & racism, but it is in the context of the world. None of my players will be raped, but the threat might be present (male or female) IF it makes sense to the story but I'll likely give the player or players an out (a weapon to use to defend themselves or a person who will save them). But as a survivor of rape myself I'd never use it in a crass manner. Like you I have never had any people of other races at my table and that is solely because those that I know are not interested, but would be very welcome if they were interested. And you are correct, context is everything in game. I have all races in my game and all have been played. Lack of diversity at my table is lack of opportunity and nothing more. |
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Post by colinouchou on Feb 8, 2018 9:54:31 GMT -5
I think that the biggest problem that D'Anastasio has is her age, like many people she tries to apply todays rules to the past. She has no idea that Gygax, and D&D are products of the 50s and 60s, not the 70s when they were published. There were gender roles, and they were enforced by both men and women. Not to say that there was no arm-candy back then, but I've got to tell you, the toughest woman that I ever knew was my grandmother. Soft women had no place on the farm, she had to be strong, independant, and was the moral compass of our family, D'Anastasio and her would not had gotten along at all!  D'Anastasio's low opinion of women is something that turns me off of her writing. I digress, to get back on point, my wife suggested that I bring this article to the attention of you fine people, she and I are interested in what you have to say. Anyway, I'm out of time to elaborate further, but I am interested if there is a line that shouldn't be crossed. What role to women play in the game. Is it sexist to play a Conan like character? Who were some women that you feel brought elements to the game which helped you define what it is? Great post ripx187, have an Exalt. I let both men and women play anything they want (well no you can't be all powerful and invincible from the beginning of play). The main thing I don't do is that there is no rape or other sexual themes in my game. |
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Post by Maximum Forest Ranger on Feb 8, 2018 17:44:23 GMT -5
I think that the biggest problem that D'Anastasio has is her age, like many people she tries to apply todays rules to the past. She has no idea that Gygax, and D&D are products of the 50s and 60s, not the 70s when they were published. There were gender roles, and they were enforced by both men and women. Not to say that there was no arm-candy back then, but I've got to tell you, the toughest woman that I ever knew was my grandmother. Soft women had no place on the farm, she had to be strong, independant, and was the moral compass of our family, D'Anastasio and her would not had gotten along at all! D'Anastasio's low opinion of women is something that turns me off of her writing. I digress, to get back on point, my wife suggested that I bring this article to the attention of you fine people, she and I are interested in what you have to say. Anyway, I'm out of time to elaborate further, but I am interested if there is a line that shouldn't be crossed. What role to women play in the game. Is it sexist to play a Conan like character? Who were some women that you feel brought elements to the game which helped you define what it is? Great post ripx187 , have an Exalt. I let both men and women play anything they want (well no you can't be all powerful and invincible from the beginning of play). The main thing I don't do is that there is no rape or other sexual themes in my game. I'm with you on this, no rape or sexual themes of any kind in my game either. I like to keep it child friendly. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2018 18:46:30 GMT -5
Everyone is playing nice here and we (your mods) appreciate that a great deal! We gamers have a nice playground here and it would be great to keep it that way.
Indulge me, however, for a moment so I may leave a friendly reminder: keep it civil and remember to think twice and post once.
I won't lock this thread like I did its fork, but I (and the others) are keeping an eye on it.
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Post by mormonyoyoman on Feb 8, 2018 19:39:46 GMT -5
To quote Spike Jones & the City Slickers, "Looks very strange with all those eyes glued to it."
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D'Anastasio's low opinion of women is something that turns me off of her writing. I digress, to get back on point, my wife suggested that I bring this article to the attention of you fine people, she and I are interested in what you have to say.
