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Post by Crimhthan The Great on Sept 12, 2023 11:58:47 GMT -5
I am on Twitter now, yeah, go figure. Probably won't last long.
I posted this
Question for everyone, how do you define metagaming in D&D? Right now not asking if you are for or against, just how do you define it. (that will be later) My guess is there are a lot of different definitions.
To be clear, just post the definition, I want to discuss our opinions in another thread later with a poll.
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Post by The Semi-Retired Gamer on Sept 13, 2023 10:37:43 GMT -5
Using out of game or real-world information to maximize character advantage.
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Post by hengest on Sept 21, 2023 11:57:49 GMT -5
Using out of game or real-world information to maximize character advantage. Agree. Although I think metagaming SHOULD mean "enjoying thinking about the game and making games in addition to actually playing." |
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Post by The Semi-Retired Gamer on Sept 21, 2023 16:25:46 GMT -5
Using out of game or real-world information to maximize character advantage. Agree. Although I think metagaming SHOULD mean "enjoying thinking about the game and making games in addition to actually playing." YES! |
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Post by The Perilous Dreamer on Sept 21, 2023 18:14:50 GMT -5
A lot of people hate "metagaming" and think that players should pretend that their characters don't know things the player knows and then deliberately try to make the same mistakes they made back when they were newbies and didn't have this knowledge.
I don't like that view and here is why.
The characters grow up in a world that runs on oral tradition, word of mouth, they live in the world with no TV or Radio or Internet. They have heard stories their whole lives about the world around them and places and things outside where they live, from old people and from travelers. A bard comes through and it is a community event in small towns. I submit that in the world of the oral tradition, the world that my parents grew up in, people knew a lot and remembered a lot and the stories passed from generation to generation. All this stuff characters are not supposed to know is crazy stupid IMO. In fact, new players are way more ignorant than any PC should ever be. PCs should know a lot, some of it true and some of it false, but they should know a lot.
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Post by The Semi-Retired Gamer on Sept 22, 2023 2:28:57 GMT -5
A lot of people hate "metagaming" and think that players should pretend that their characters don't know things the player knows and then deliberately try to make the same mistakes they made back when they were newbies and didn't have this knowledge. I don't like that view and here is why. The characters grow up in a world that runs on oral tradition, word of mouth, they live in the world with no TV or Radio or Internet. They have heard stories their whole lives about the world around them and places and things outside where they live, from old people and from travelers. A bard comes through and it is a community event in small towns. I submit that in the world of the oral tradition, the world that my parents grew up in, people knew a lot and remembered a lot and the stories passed from generation to generation. All this stuff characters are not supposed to know is crazy stupid IMO. In fact, new players are way more ignorant than any PC should ever be. PCs should know a lot, some of it true and some of it false, but they should know a lot. I get that and I agree. What I don't like is the munchkin/power gaming style of metagaming. If EVERY farm boy in EVERY medieval village is a rocket scientist, expert metallurgist, sagely wise beyond their short life then why would they need to quest for knowledge, rare items, treasure, or even be a member of an adventuring group? Metagaming often turns into Mary Sue type characters. Meh. BORING. |
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Post by oldskolgmr on Sept 22, 2023 7:44:17 GMT -5
My off the cuff definition; min-maxing PC's and a set of behaviors that approach a game as from a binary win-lose approach.
(P.S. Coffee still seeping into brain!!)
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Post by hengest on Sept 22, 2023 10:08:43 GMT -5
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Post by Morose on Oct 4, 2023 23:37:47 GMT -5
A lot of people hate "metagaming" and think that players should pretend that their characters don't know things the player knows and then deliberately try to make the same mistakes they made back when they were newbies and didn't have this knowledge. I don't like that view and here is why. The characters grow up in a world that runs on oral tradition, word of mouth, they live in the world with no TV or Radio or Internet. They have heard stories their whole lives about the world around them and places and things outside where they live, from old people and from travelers. A bard comes through and it is a community event in small towns. I submit that in the world of the oral tradition, the world that my parents grew up in, people knew a lot and remembered a lot and the stories passed from generation to generation. All this stuff characters are not supposed to know is crazy stupid IMO. In fact, new players are way more ignorant than any PC should ever be. PCs should know a lot, some of it true and some of it false, but they should know a lot.I get that and I agree. What I don't like is the munchkin/power gaming style of metagaming. If EVERY farm boy in EVERY medieval village is a rocket scientist, expert metallurgist, sagely wise beyond their short life then why would they need to quest for knowledge, rare items, treasure, or even be a member of an adventuring group? Metagaming often turns into Mary Sue type characters. Meh. BORING. Since as PD points out some of what each player thinks they know is false and each player knows a slightly or largely different versions of things, even if they compare notes, often it is a guess. I think this negates the "munchkin/power gaming style of metagaming." |
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Post by Morose on Oct 4, 2023 23:39:13 GMT -5
My off the cuff definition; min-maxing PC's and a set of behaviors that approach a game as from a binary win-lose approach. (P.S. Coffee still seeping into brain!!) I think that would be really hard to try in OD&D. As PD has posted before 3d6 in order gives you little room to cheat. |
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Post by The Semi-Retired Gamer on Oct 5, 2023 7:24:09 GMT -5
My off the cuff definition; min-maxing PC's and a set of behaviors that approach a game as from a binary win-lose approach. (P.S. Coffee still seeping into brain!!) Makes sense to me. |
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Post by The Semi-Retired Gamer on Oct 5, 2023 7:24:46 GMT -5
My off the cuff definition; min-maxing PC's and a set of behaviors that approach a game as from a binary win-lose approach. (P.S. Coffee still seeping into brain!!) I think that would be really hard to try in OD&D. As PD has posted before 3d6 in order gives you little room to cheat. Agreed. I know some people really gripe about 3D6 in order but that's my preferred method. |
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Post by oldskolgmr on Oct 5, 2023 15:50:08 GMT -5
My off the cuff definition; min-maxing PC's and a set of behaviors that approach a game as from a binary win-lose approach. (P.S. Coffee still seeping into brain!!) I think that would be really hard to try in OD&D. As PD has posted before 3d6 in order gives you little room to cheat. I agree that OD&D has little room for "min-maxing, power gaming, and Munchkin" approaches. However I have gamed with folks who flat out tried to cheat at their die rolls if they could.    (Of course, my solution long term has been not to game with people like that, but that personality type still shows up.) |
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Post by El Borak on Oct 5, 2023 23:40:06 GMT -5
Using out of game or real-world information to maximize character advantage. to the detriment of the characters of other players. There I fixed it for you.  |
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Post by The Semi-Retired Gamer on Oct 6, 2023 3:41:45 GMT -5
Using out of game or real-world information to maximize character advantage. to the detriment of the characters of other players. There I fixed it for you. YES!  That's the WORST part of it!! |
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Post by hengest on Oct 6, 2023 11:58:13 GMT -5
If you have a powergamer, just run no-combat sessions in a world where any success makes your character weaker for a while, then you'll have no power gamers left.
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Post by muddywater on Mar 28, 2024 13:33:43 GMT -5
I agree with them and with oldskolgmr, some people just are not there to be part of the group. |
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