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Post by The Semi-Retired Gamer on Nov 5, 2022 15:17:25 GMT -5
This post, Parallel Universe D&D, is one of my favorite posts from Venger's Old School Gaming Blog. I think several people here would be interested in reading it or trying this out. Here's a sample - "I think every Dungeon Master could benefit from this idea. Instead of calling it Dungeons & Dragons, call it something else. Mazes & Monsters, Demons & Sorcery, Dark Towers, Scourge of the Crimson Wyrm, etc. Whatever you want... because this game is just like the fantasy RPGs you're familiar with, except that there are no written rules! But don't worry, if things go well, you'll be creating a home-made reference of guidelines as you game."Any thoughts to add? |
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Post by Bartholmew Quarrels on Nov 5, 2022 21:08:48 GMT -5
This post, Parallel Universe D&D, is one of my favorite posts from Venger's Old School Gaming Blog. I think several people here would be interested in reading it or trying this out. Here's a sample - "I think every Dungeon Master could benefit from this idea. Instead of calling it Dungeons & Dragons, call it something else. Mazes & Monsters, Demons & Sorcery, Dark Towers, Scourge of the Crimson Wyrm, etc. Whatever you want... because this game is just like the fantasy RPGs you're familiar with, except that there are no written rules! But don't worry, if things go well, you'll be creating a home-made reference of guidelines as you game."Any thoughts to add? That is quite a post and an inspired idea. I am not familiar with Venger, but this idea of creating your own RPG by using what you can remember from any source and then filling in the gaps and holes on your own with input from your players as you play, gets you as close to Arneson creating Blackmoor as you can possibly be. A few years ago, Kuntz got upset saying that no one could have as much fun as they did when they were playtesting and writing OD&D, well Arneson and players did when they were creating Blackmoor from which OD&D was derived. This idea of Venger's gives you a way to experience first hand what Arneson, Gygax and players did bitd. We can indeed have just as much fun as they did and Venger has showed us the way to do it. As I said, I am not familiar with Venger and for all I know everything else he has done is crap, but this blog post is first rate and top notch. Anyone that has a group should give this a try. |
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Post by The Perilous Dreamer on Nov 5, 2022 21:53:35 GMT -5
I am giving both of you an Exalt!
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Post by Bickler on Nov 5, 2022 22:20:10 GMT -5
Wow! That is radical!
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Post by jons on Nov 6, 2022 4:35:56 GMT -5
Guys, that's not radical at all. That's what we do. Most gamers from the old school... as opposed to Old School Gamers, did that and many continue to do so. Venger is a bit of a con man really. Nicking old ideas and presenting them as new. What is genuinely radical in his post is that it isn't smothered with *NSFW stuff. That's a first for Venger I think.
*Edited by The Admin. Politics is off topic here.
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Post by The Perilous Dreamer on Nov 6, 2022 8:50:47 GMT -5
Guys, that's not radical at all. That's what we do. Most gamers from the old school... as opposed to Old School Gamers, did that and many continue to do so. Venger is a bit of a con man really. Nicking old ideas and presenting them as new. What is genuinely radical in his post is that it isn't smothered with sexist remarks and alt-right crap. That's a first for Venger I think. Hi Jon, I would agree that is not radical, but in todays gaming world it is pretty rare, gamers from the old school are a very rare breed these days. You can go on forums that have thousands of members that call themselves old school and not find more than one or two. As for Venger, this is one of his few posts that is Safe for Work. And Bartholmew Quarrels, believe me, you will not like most of his stuff, as NSFW is his thing. As for old ideas presented as new, aren't all ideas old, and presenting them to a new audience is not a bad thing and most of MeWe is a new audience. I run OD&D and am not that concerned about the rules and generally never refer to them during a game. So playing that way is pretty much my standard mode of operation. I think many of our members play that way, although some, like Bartholmew Quarrels, probably have never thought about it in those terms before. |
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Post by The Semi-Retired Gamer on Nov 6, 2022 8:57:29 GMT -5
Guys, that's not radical at all. That's what we do. Most gamers from the old school... as opposed to Old School Gamers, did that and many continue to do so. Venger is a bit of a con man really. Nicking old ideas and presenting them as new. What is genuinely radical in his post is that it isn't smothered with sexist remarks and alt-right crap. That's a first for Venger I think. I don't think it's radical at all. It's just a big reminder that the rules as written are not that important. |
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Post by The Semi-Retired Gamer on Nov 6, 2022 8:59:43 GMT -5
As far as Venger goes, he's a first-rate carnie. That's his schtick.
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Post by The Perilous Dreamer on Nov 6, 2022 9:01:17 GMT -5
Guys, that's not radical at all. That's what we do. Most gamers from the old school... as opposed to Old School Gamers, did that and many continue to do so. Venger is a bit of a con man really. Nicking old ideas and presenting them as new. What is genuinely radical in his post is that it isn't smothered with sexist remarks and alt-right crap. That's a first for Venger I think. As for Venger, he and I have had discussions about the fact that IMO his audience would be bigger if he would drop the porn shtick. But I don't think he is a con man myself, as The Semi-Retired Gamer said he is a first-rate carnie while WotC is a bunch of con artists IMO. |
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Post by The Perilous Dreamer on Nov 6, 2022 9:02:21 GMT -5
As far as Venger goes, he's a first-rate carnie. That's his schtick. Yeah, I would agree with that, he is a first-rate carnie. |
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Post by The Semi-Retired Gamer on Nov 6, 2022 9:27:31 GMT -5
Guys, that's not radical at all. That's what we do. Most gamers from the old school... as opposed to Old School Gamers, did that and many continue to do so. Venger is a bit of a con man really. Nicking old ideas and presenting them as new. What is genuinely radical in his post is that it isn't smothered with sexist remarks and alt-right crap. That's a first for Venger I think. As for Venger, he and I have had discussions about the fact that IMO his audience would be bigger if he would drop the porn shtick. But I don't think he is a con man myself, as The Semi-Retired Gamer said he is a first-rate carnie while WotC is a bunch of con artists IMO. Agreed. He's a very creative guy and his stuff definitely has his flavor all over it. I think he could have a bigger audience BUT I have to give him credit for sticking to his vision. I also have to agree about WOTC being more con artists than anyone. |
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Post by The Semi-Retired Gamer on Nov 6, 2022 9:29:41 GMT -5
As far as Venger goes, he's a first-rate carnie. That's his schtick. Yeah, I would agree with that, he is a first-rate carnie. Exactly! |
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Post by Warrior Twin Two on Nov 8, 2022 22:26:26 GMT -5
This post, Parallel Universe D&D, is one of my favorite posts from Venger's Old School Gaming Blog. I think several people here would be interested in reading it or trying this out. Here's a sample - "I think every Dungeon Master could benefit from this idea. Instead of calling it Dungeons & Dragons, call it something else. Mazes & Monsters, Demons & Sorcery, Dark Towers, Scourge of the Crimson Wyrm, etc. Whatever you want... because this game is just like the fantasy RPGs you're familiar with, except that there are no written rules! But don't worry, if things go well, you'll be creating a home-made reference of guidelines as you game."Any thoughts to add? That is quite a post and an inspired idea. I am not familiar with Venger, but this idea of creating your own RPG by using what you can remember from any source and then filling in the gaps and holes on your own with input from your players as you play, gets you as close to Arneson creating Blackmoor as you can possibly be. A few years ago, Kuntz got upset saying that no one could have as much fun as they did when they were playtesting and writing OD&D, well Arneson and players did when they were creating Blackmoor from which OD&D was derived. This idea of Venger's gives you a way to experience first hand what Arneson, Gygax and players did bitd. We can indeed have just as much fun as they did and Venger has showed us the way to do it. As I said, I am not familiar with Venger and for all I know everything else he has done is crap, but this blog post is first rate and top notch. Anyone that has a group should give this a try. Venger @vs does some pretty good stuff now and then. Way too much of it is NSFW or to show you mom, but his more general interest stuff is really good. And as he said over at MeWe |
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Post by Warrior Twin One on Nov 9, 2022 2:37:24 GMT -5
Guys, that's not radical at all. That's what we do. Most gamers from the old school... as opposed to Old School Gamers, did that and many continue to do so. Venger is a bit of a con man really. Nicking old ideas and presenting them as new. What is genuinely radical in his post is that it isn't smothered with *NSFW stuff. That's a first for Venger I think. *Edited by The Admin. Politics is off topic here. , how are you defining Old School Gamers? If you are defining the module using group as Old School Gamers, I think you are way off base. What was laid out in that post is what Old School Gamers do. Not sure who you are talking about with this "gamers from the old school," bit. |
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Post by Morose on Nov 11, 2022 12:14:49 GMT -5
Guys, that's not radical at all. That's what we do. Most gamers from the old school... as opposed to Old School Gamers, did that and many continue to do so. Venger is a bit of a con man really. Nicking old ideas and presenting them as new. What is genuinely radical in his post is that it isn't smothered with *NSFW stuff. That's a first for Venger I think. *Edited by The Admin. Politics is off topic here. , how are you defining Old School Gamers? If you are defining the module using group as Old School Gamers, I think you are way off base. What was laid out in that post is what Old School Gamers do. Not sure who you are talking about with this "gamers from the old school," bit. , what have you published? And yes, define your terms. What are you trying to say here? What is that statement supposed to mean. |
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