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Post by bestialwarlust on May 4, 2016 14:11:17 GMT -5
I'm curious back when Greyhawk started what gods were in the setting. When I first started gaming like many I used the World of Greyhawk boxed set and there were quite a few listed. How did the list of gods differ from the home game to the published setting?
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Post by robkuntz on May 4, 2016 16:00:30 GMT -5
I've answered this... somewhere... before. That's the problem with having made over 10,000 posts on internet boards and blogs and in having over 500,000 files on my computer... Hmm. BWL, let me look around at my old forums and at DF a bit for the post which I know exists. If I cannot find it I will recap here (and then save the bugger). Thanks for the question and I shall return! Give me a few days... OH, that reminds me. I suggested to PD that he get the crew here to get together a bunch of interview questions for me and form some a Lorish type FaQ therefrom. This might just be that opportunity...  Later! |
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Post by bestialwarlust on May 4, 2016 19:04:46 GMT -5
Awesome no problem. I'll search around and see if I can find some of the old posts in the meantime as you suggested.
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2016 21:29:10 GMT -5
Well, I remember that at the VERY first there was "the Lawful temple," "the neutral temple," etc. I coined "First Church of Crom, Scientist" and "Mitra's Witnesses" fairly early on.
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Post by robkuntz on May 5, 2016 2:37:21 GMT -5
Well, I remember that at the VERY first there was "the Lawful temple," "the neutral temple," etc. I coined "First Church of Crom, Scientist" and "Mitra's Witnesses" fairly early on. Yes, Michael, I know, but I am trying to find the comprehensive article that includes so much more and in context... |
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2016 9:01:12 GMT -5
I knew YOU knew.
And I think it's worthwhile pointing out to the youngsters (kaf wheeze git offa my lawn) that this whole thing did not spring full blown into existence like Athena from the brow of Zeus, but started extremely simply and was built upon.
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Post by robkuntz on May 5, 2016 9:17:19 GMT -5
You know, I've been looking through the old PPP forums where we both kaffed hacked and wheezed for many years with its 400+ members. We seemed younger then and we were! Kinda miss those times. But, I couldn't find the gods reference there, so I'm about to write the darn thing down just to be forever done with it... and to answer the question... |
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Post by bestialwarlust on May 5, 2016 9:48:51 GMT -5
I knew YOU knew. And I think it's worthwhile pointing out to the youngsters (kaf wheeze git offa my lawn) that this whole thing did not spring full blown into existence like Athena from the brow of Zeus, but started extremely simply and was built upon. HA!! *steps on gronan's grass* |
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2016 20:16:47 GMT -5
* fires the 100 shot repeating ballista *
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Post by robkuntz on May 6, 2016 18:43:34 GMT -5
* fires the 100 shot repeating ballista * Hey Michael. Do you realize that at the old PPP forums that collectively, between just you and I, we had over 8,000 posts? I had the majority of course as it was my forum but, just the same, we did a lot of posting and cavorting in those days! |
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2016 21:32:27 GMT -5
There was some good stuff there... I'm sorry the archives got lost.
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Post by robkuntz on May 7, 2016 4:41:07 GMT -5
There was some good stuff there... I'm sorry the archives got lost. They are not lost. They are still there. Guy Fullerton has stated that he finally contrived a way to get the information off of them (which we failed to find many years ago), but as he works for Apple and is always busy, he's not had the opportunity or time to complete the transmigration of data. This was the very reason why I stopped posting on the YUKU boards, as it's a time trap of the information or a nightmarish manual recovery process. |
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Post by bestialwarlust on May 7, 2016 11:19:00 GMT -5
Someone posted this on the DF forum.
IRC, the descriptions in the 83 box all appeared first in Dragon Magazine. I don't know of any other write-ups. Here are some details from the original campaign:
*1E DMG ('79) says: "In my own Greyhawk Campaign there have been 9 demi-gods, 3 demon lords, and a handful of Norse and other gods involved in the course of many years of play. Once or twice there has been divine intervention -- and twice the powers of the infernal region have come at the mention of a certain name..." (112).
*The nine demigods were: Iuz, Ralishaz, Trithereon, Erythnul, Olidammara, Heironeous, Celestian, Hextor, and Obad-Hai.
*Erac's Cousin summoned Zeus once (Oerth Journal 5).
*Rob planned to use Achilles, Hermod, Lemikainen, Conan, Fafhrd, Elric, and Math as pre-generated characters in his Pit of Geburah adventure set in the Drachensgrabs (viewtopic.php?f=33&t=34295&start=15).
If you don't like the 83 deities, I would use the Nine, plus whatever references you can pull from the DMG (Tdon, St. Cuthbert, Heward, etc.), plus Tharizdun, plus whatever you want from Supplement IV: Gods, Demi-gods & Heroes. If you want more, Lakofka most likely had his Suel pantheon fleshed out by 1980 (Kord and others are mentioned in L1). There are also the Olman gods and Stern Alia in C1, the EEG in G1-3, and Om and Landron in Quag Keep.
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2016 11:38:29 GMT -5
There was some good stuff there... I'm sorry the archives got lost. They are not lost. They are still there. Guy Fullerton has stated that he finally contrived a way to get the information off of them (which we failed to find many years ago), but as he works for Apple and is always busy, he's not had the opportunity or time to complete the transmigration of data. This was the very reason why I stopped posting on the YUKU boards, as it's a time trap of the information or a nightmarish manual recovery process. Oh my GOSH that's great news! There were some great threads in there, including one where I got Gary to talk about CHAINMAIL of all things! And you know, CHAINMAIL is still my favorite historical medieval miniatures rule set. I still run "Battle on the Ice" at GaryCon, and I've tweaked the forces a bit so that it really is a pretty even battle.  |
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Post by robkuntz on May 7, 2016 12:02:16 GMT -5
They are not lost. They are still there. Guy Fullerton has stated that he finally contrived a way to get the information off of them (which we failed to find many years ago), but as he works for Apple and is always busy, he's not had the opportunity or time to complete the transmigration of data. This was the very reason why I stopped posting on the YUKU boards, as it's a time trap of the information or a nightmarish manual recovery process. Oh my GOSH that's great news! There were some great threads in there, including one where I got Gary to talk about CHAINMAIL of all things! And you know, CHAINMAIL is still my favorite historical medieval miniatures rule set. I still run "Battle on the Ice" at GaryCon, and I've tweaked the forces a bit so that it really is a pretty even battle. Yes. I saw you running it at GaryCon and we talked for a while when you were doing so. There's pictures of it somewhere that I've seen, along with all of the other snaps of the LEGENDS games that Paul Stormberg organizes. "Kaf, Hack, Wheeze... Yur Move.." |
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Post by robkuntz on May 7, 2016 12:14:24 GMT -5
Someone posted this on the DF forum. IRC, the descriptions in the 83 box all appeared first in Dragon Magazine. I don't know of any other write-ups. Here are some details from the original campaign:
*1E DMG ('79) says: "In my own Greyhawk Campaign there have been 9 demi-gods, 3 demon lords, and a handful of Norse and other gods involved in the course of many years of play. Once or twice there has been divine intervention -- and twice the powers of the infernal region have come at the mention of a certain name..." (112).
*The nine demigods were: Iuz, Ralishaz, Trithereon, Erythnul, Olidammara, Heironeous, Celestian, Hextor, and Obad-Hai.
*Erac's Cousin summoned Zeus once (Oerth Journal 5).
*Rob planned to use Achilles, Hermod, Lemikainen, Conan, Fafhrd, Elric, and Math as pre-generated characters in his Pit of Geburah adventure set in the Drachensgrabs (viewtopic.php?f=33&t=34295&start=15).
If you don't like the 83 deities, I would use the Nine, plus whatever references you can pull from the DMG (Tdon, St. Cuthbert, Heward, etc.), plus Tharizdun, plus whatever you want from Supplement IV: Gods, Demi-gods & Heroes. If you want more, Lakofka most likely had his Suel pantheon fleshed out by 1980 (Kord and others are mentioned in L1). There are also the Olman gods and Stern Alia in C1, the EEG in G1-3, and Om and Landron in Quag Keep.
Yes. But there was the Crom Scientist, Cuthbert of the Cudgel (extrapolated from Gary's earlier novel the Gnome Cache), Odin, Zeus (who never appeared for Erac, he "attempted to summon Zeus," the OJ5 reference is incorrect), many elder-like beings/thingies (some proliferated within the Bottle City art gallery references), The Church of the Blinding Light (of faith), more mythos-like "gods" undiscovered mostly, on Fomalhaut (on the DVD in fact, forthcoming), the Nine as you note (though they were promoted for print), and some others (false God ROLOC from the Bottle City reference); and too many to mention that were here or there or already gone, from tie-ins to the Lost City of the Elders. The expansion of these in print and the full throttle inclusion of printed Suul gods may have fit with Gary's market plans, but they were not of the original campaign. But, so went Greyhawk... but not Kalibruhn... which remains mine and consistent to this very day...  |
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Post by grodog on May 23, 2016 21:16:12 GMT -5
There was some good stuff there... I'm sorry the archives got lost. They are not lost. They are still there. Guy Fullerton has stated that he finally contrived a way to get the information off of them (which we failed to find many years ago), but as he works for Apple and is always busy, he's not had the opportunity or time to complete the transmigration of data. This was the very reason why I stopped posting on the YUKU boards, as it's a time trap of the information or a nightmarish manual recovery process. I have the board scape/export (from after the great board crash, unfortunately), and will be happy to send it your way again if you'd like, Rob. Good fodder for catching up after NTX Allan. |
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Post by robkuntz on May 24, 2016 4:01:36 GMT -5
They are not lost. They are still there. Guy Fullerton has stated that he finally contrived a way to get the information off of them (which we failed to find many years ago), but as he works for Apple and is always busy, he's not had the opportunity or time to complete the transmigration of data. This was the very reason why I stopped posting on the YUKU boards, as it's a time trap of the information or a nightmarish manual recovery process. I have the board scape/export (from after the great board crash, unfortunately), and will be happy to send it your way again if you'd like, Rob. Good fodder for catching up after NTX Allan. I didn't know that it could be exported. Guy, who's a programmer, couldn't figure out how to do it. How did you negotiate saving it? Yep. Way after NTX as I am in crunch time with three projects. Ciao. |
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