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Post by raikenclw on Nov 18, 2021 18:39:46 GMT -5
I saw Dune last night. It didn't grab me as an adaptation (I may actually prefer the Lynch version). However, I'm game to see Part two, and I think that's the only movie I'm looking forward to. Unless a local theatre screens The Green Knight (2021). I have never seen the Lynch version, it came out during a long period of time where I did not see any movies. I did not see the original three Star Wars movies until 1999. I do recommend the Green Knight, it does blend parts of some other stories into it. I read somethings the director wrote about choices he made and that actually make a few things make more sense and even after the fact helped me to enjoy the movie even more. It does help if you have read the original story, even a few different versions of the story. The Green Knight was - I thought - a very good attempt at catching the feel of a tale from the middle ages. I'm still not entirely sure about the ending, though. Did Gawain die or was that a daymare ending?
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Post by The Perilous Dreamer on Nov 18, 2021 21:44:06 GMT -5
I have never seen the Lynch version, it came out during a long period of time where I did not see any movies. I did not see the original three Star Wars movies until 1999. I do recommend the Green Knight, it does blend parts of some other stories into it. I read somethings the director wrote about choices he made and that actually make a few things make more sense and even after the fact helped me to enjoy the movie even more. It does help if you have read the original story, even a few different versions of the story. The Green Knight was - I thought - a very good attempt at catching the feel of a tale from the middle ages. I'm still not entirely sure about the ending, though. Did Gawain die or was that a daymare ending? They left the ending up to each viewer, he got a chance to see the result of one path of running and it was not good, and so he chose to offer himself up and whether he died or lived is up to each viewer to decide and so whatever you think happened tells you about you.
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Post by oldskolgmr on Nov 20, 2021 0:05:41 GMT -5
Wow! I had not thought about it that way The Perilous Dreamer. Now I really want to see it on the big screen after reading a good version. Any recommendations for a version of the Green Knight, group?
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Post by The Perilous Dreamer on Nov 20, 2021 3:18:23 GMT -5
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Post by The Semi-Retired Gamer on Nov 21, 2021 9:11:09 GMT -5
I saw Dune last night. It didn't grab me as an adaptation (I may actually prefer the Lynch version). However, I'm game to see Part two, and I think that's the only movie I'm looking forward to. Unless a local theatre screens The Green Knight (2021). I have never seen the Lynch version, it came out during a long period of time where I did not see any movies. I did not see the original three Star Wars movies until 1999. I do recommend the Green Knight, it does blend parts of some other stories into it. I read somethings the director wrote about choices he made and that actually make a few things make more sense and even after the fact helped me to enjoy the movie even more. It does help if you have read the original story, even a few different versions of the story. The Perilous Dreamer the Lynch version made some weird choices but it also made some really good choices. It's definitely a mixed bag. I prefer the SyFy adaptation and I will be buying it the next time I see it. I still haven't gotten around to seeing the new version. What did you think of the original Star Wars movies seeing them in 1999?
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Post by The Perilous Dreamer on Nov 22, 2021 23:09:48 GMT -5
I have never seen the Lynch version, it came out during a long period of time where I did not see any movies. I did not see the original three Star Wars movies until 1999. I do recommend the Green Knight, it does blend parts of some other stories into it. I read somethings the director wrote about choices he made and that actually make a few things make more sense and even after the fact helped me to enjoy the movie even more. It does help if you have read the original story, even a few different versions of the story. The Perilous Dreamer the Lynch version made some weird choices but it also made some really good choices. It's definitely a mixed bag. I prefer the SyFy adaptation and I will be buying it the next time I see it. I still haven't gotten around to seeing the new version. What did you think of the original Star Wars movies seeing them in 1999? I really loved them and especially enjoyed seeing them with my wife. It is really a shame that all the others suffer by comparison. I have been thinking about watching them again. Oh BTW when we saw them they were back in theaters for a short time and I got to see them on the big screen too!
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Post by The Semi-Retired Gamer on Nov 23, 2021 9:06:48 GMT -5
The Perilous Dreamer the Lynch version made some weird choices but it also made some really good choices. It's definitely a mixed bag. I prefer the SyFy adaptation and I will be buying it the next time I see it. I still haven't gotten around to seeing the new version. What did you think of the original Star Wars movies seeing them in 1999? I really loved them and especially enjoyed seeing them with my wife. It is really a shame that all the others suffer by comparison. I have been thinking about watching them again. Oh BTW when we saw them they were back in theaters for a short time and I got to see them on the big screen too! Nice! I remember seeing the original Star Wars movies on the big screen; SEVERAL times at that...lol. Agreed. I have watched the original trilogy countless times on VHS and now DVD/Bluray. I will continue to watch them in the future. The prequel trilogy had me pretty excited and I saw every one of them on the big screen as well. In my opinion, they are a step down from the original trilogy but I have watched them several times at home on DVD and I will continue to do so in the future. They're not nearly as well done as the original trilogy but they have good points. The sequel trilogy, on the other hand, is a major disappointment. It started off with a somewhat nostalgic retread with The Force Awakens. I had a little bit of hope that Disney had not destroyed the franchise but then the next 2 movies came out. YIKES! The characters are uninteresting and the story is uninspired. One of the biggest sins committed by Disney was making the sacrifice of Anakin meaningless. I have watched The Force Awakens 3 or 4 times and The Last Jedi and The Rise of Skywalker both have only been watched once each. They are complete and utter garbage. I did enjoy Rogue One and the first 2 seasons of The Mandalorian.
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Post by The Perilous Dreamer on Nov 23, 2021 15:24:38 GMT -5
I really loved them and especially enjoyed seeing them with my wife. It is really a shame that all the others suffer by comparison. I have been thinking about watching them again. Oh BTW when we saw them they were back in theaters for a short time and I got to see them on the big screen too! Nice! I remember seeing the original Star Wars movies on the big screen; SEVERAL times at that...lol. Agreed. I have watched the original trilogy countless times on VHS and now DVD/Bluray. I will continue to watch them in the future. The prequel trilogy had me pretty excited and I saw every one of them on the big screen as well. In my opinion, they are a step down from the original trilogy but I have watched them several times at home on DVD and I will continue to do so in the future. They're not nearly as well done as the original trilogy but they have good points. The sequel trilogy, on the other hand, is a major disappointment. It started off with a somewhat nostalgic retread with The Force Awakens. I had a little bit of hope that Disney had not destroyed the franchise but then the next 2 movies came out. YIKES! The characters are uninteresting and the story is uninspired. One of the biggest sins committed by Disney was making the sacrifice of Anakin meaningless. I have watched The Force Awakens 3 or 4 times and The Last Jedi and The Rise of Skywalker both have only been watched once each. They are complete and utter garbage. I did enjoy Rogue One and the first 2 seasons of The Mandalorian. If I could buy the franchise, I would announce that the sequels are not canon and the real sequels will now be made. I would keep each character in line with their original character. The original Luke would never have become a coward that ran and hid. Have not seen The Rise of Skywalker and have no plans to.
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Post by raikenclw on Nov 23, 2021 21:33:09 GMT -5
If I could buy the franchise, I would announce that the sequels are not canon and the real sequels will now be made. I would keep each character in line with their original character. The original Luke would never have become a coward that ran and hid. Have not seen The Rise of Skywalker and have no plans to. I wouldn't say that Luke turned into a coward. He just got seriously depressed. All that effort to defeat the Dark Side and it didn't really matter, because the Empire (or something like it) simply refused to die. It took the rise of a hopeful younger generation to bring him back into the fight. In related news, I read somewhere that George Lucas plans to re-make the original trilogy. I am cringing inwardly at what a disaster that is likely to be.
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Post by The Perilous Dreamer on Nov 24, 2021 14:28:12 GMT -5
If I could buy the franchise, I would announce that the sequels are not canon and the real sequels will now be made. I would keep each character in line with their original character. The original Luke would never have become a coward that ran and hid. Have not seen The Rise of Skywalker and have no plans to. I wouldn't say that Luke turned into a coward. He just got seriously depressed. All that effort to defeat the Dark Side and it didn't really matter, because the Empire (or something like it) simply refused to die. It took the rise of a hopeful younger generation to bring him back into the fight. In related news, I read somewhere that George Lucas plans to re-make the original trilogy. I am cringing inwardly at what a disaster that is likely to be. I will have to disagree, I hated the way Last Jedi portrayed Luke. The vision of Yoda made it pretty clear that Luke should not have been where he was. Unlike some, I liked the new characters, I just did not like what they did with the old ones. If it was supposed to be a passing of the baton from the old characters to the new characters, it was IMO botched. Now if Luke had had sons and daughters that died in the fight and he was leading his grandchildren Jedi, that would have been awesome.
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Post by The Semi-Retired Gamer on Nov 24, 2021 16:54:32 GMT -5
Nice! I remember seeing the original Star Wars movies on the big screen; SEVERAL times at that...lol. Agreed. I have watched the original trilogy countless times on VHS and now DVD/Bluray. I will continue to watch them in the future. The prequel trilogy had me pretty excited and I saw every one of them on the big screen as well. In my opinion, they are a step down from the original trilogy but I have watched them several times at home on DVD and I will continue to do so in the future. They're not nearly as well done as the original trilogy but they have good points. The sequel trilogy, on the other hand, is a major disappointment. It started off with a somewhat nostalgic retread with The Force Awakens. I had a little bit of hope that Disney had not destroyed the franchise but then the next 2 movies came out. YIKES! The characters are uninteresting and the story is uninspired. One of the biggest sins committed by Disney was making the sacrifice of Anakin meaningless. I have watched The Force Awakens 3 or 4 times and The Last Jedi and The Rise of Skywalker both have only been watched once each. They are complete and utter garbage. I did enjoy Rogue One and the first 2 seasons of The Mandalorian. If I could buy the franchise, I would announce that the sequels are not canon and the real sequels will now be made. I would keep each character in line with their original character. The original Luke would never have become a coward that ran and hid. Have not seen The Rise of Skywalker and have no plans to. Sounds much better than what we got handed to us. I wouldn't even bother with The Rise of Skywalker. The only reason I saw it was that I have a young teenage son that wanted to see it.
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Post by raikenclw on Nov 24, 2021 19:34:45 GMT -5
I wouldn't say that Luke turned into a coward. He just got seriously depressed. All that effort to defeat the Dark Side and it didn't really matter, because the Empire (or something like it) simply refused to die. It took the rise of a hopeful younger generation to bring him back into the fight. In related news, I read somewhere that George Lucas plans to re-make the original trilogy. I am cringing inwardly at what a disaster that is likely to be. I will have to disagree, I hated the way Last Jedi portrayed Luke. The vision of Yoda made it pretty clear that Luke should not have been where he was. Unlike some, I liked the new characters, I just did not like what they did with the old ones. If it was supposed to be a passing of the baton from the old characters to the new characters, it was IMO botched. We will have to agree to disagree, then. An aged and disillusioned hermit who had to be dragged back into the fight was (to me) much more plausible (and interesting) than an aged hero who hadn't stopped fighting for the 30 years between Episodes 6 and 7, even though he never managed a definitive win. Of course, this makes Leia rather IMplausible . . . but that fits with her vacuum-breathing Force ability, so the less said about that the better. Now if Luke had had sons and daughters that died in the fight and he was leading his grandchildren Jedi, that would have been awesome. Well, Luke *did* have a nephew (Ben Solo/Kylo Ren) who turned to the Dark Side and then massacred the new generation of Jedi which Luke had been training (these events occurring between Episodes 6 and 7). This triggered Luke's depression and resultant desire to become a hermit. Of course, in the comics, Ben/Kylo was *Luke's* son (with an ex-Imperial Hand he brought back to the Light Side and then married), not Leia's. Leia and Han had three children, the youngest of which died as a child and two older children who both became Jedi . . . one falling to the Dark Side and only coming back to the Light in a deathbed conversion. The Skywalker family was strong in the Force, but also strong in anger and its resulting attraction to the Dark Side.
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Post by The Perilous Dreamer on Nov 25, 2021 2:58:56 GMT -5
I will have to disagree, I hated the way Last Jedi portrayed Luke. The vision of Yoda made it pretty clear that Luke should not have been where he was. Unlike some, I liked the new characters, I just did not like what they did with the old ones. If it was supposed to be a passing of the baton from the old characters to the new characters, it was IMO botched. We will have to agree to disagree, then. An aged and disillusioned hermit who had to be dragged back into the fight was (to me) much more plausible (and interesting) than an aged hero who hadn't stopped fighting for the 30 years between Episodes 6 and 7, even though he never managed a definitive win. Of course, this makes Leia rather IMplausible . . . but that fits with her vacuum-breathing Force ability, so the less said about that the better. Now if Luke had had sons and daughters that died in the fight and he was leading his grandchildren Jedi, that would have been awesome. Well, Luke *did* have a nephew (Ben Solo/Kylo Ren) who turned to the Dark Side and then massacred the new generation of Jedi which Luke had been training (these events occurring between Episodes 6 and 7). This triggered Luke's depression and resultant desire to become a hermit. Of course, in the comics, Ben/Kylo was *Luke's* son (with an ex-Imperial Hand he brought back to the Light Side and then married), not Leia's. Leia and Han had three children, the youngest of which died as a child and two older children who both became Jedi . . . one falling to the Dark Side and only coming back to the Light in a deathbed conversion. The Skywalker family was strong in the Force, but also strong in anger and its resulting attraction to the Dark Side. Did not know there was a comic. Yeah, I don't care for any of that story line, part of why I did not like the movie.
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Post by raikenclw on Nov 25, 2021 19:43:42 GMT -5
Did not know there was a comic. Yeah, I don't care for any of that story line, part of why I did not like the movie. In addition to the comics (many different series), there are *several* novels. A lot of the material from these have been overwritten by the final trilogy, but some of it has been pinched by the movie's scriptwriters instead. How much will be/has been kept isn't known, but the fact that 30 years were allowed to pass in-universe between the end of Episode 6 and the start of Episode 7 indicates that they're consciously leaving themselves plenty of room to get creative. Your still-heroic Luke can fit into that huge gap. He wouldn't know that he's fated to become a hermit later on.
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Post by The Semi-Retired Gamer on Nov 30, 2021 19:56:22 GMT -5
I still haven't seen the new DUNE movie BUT I'm down to 42 pages left to read. I've enjoyed it so much I already bought the next 3 books.
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Post by oldskolgmr on Dec 1, 2021 16:43:58 GMT -5
Wow! It really sounds like you're enjoying the (re?)read The Semi-Retired Gamer. I recall really liking God Emperor of Dune, but I have not re-read anything other than Dune recently.
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Post by The Semi-Retired Gamer on Dec 1, 2021 17:40:48 GMT -5
Wow! It really sounds like you're enjoying the (re?)read The Semi-Retired Gamer. I recall really liking God Emperor of Dune, but I have not re-read anything other than Dune recently. I am! I tried reading it at a very young age - too young - but never finished it. Basically new to me. 🤣
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Post by El Borak on Dec 2, 2021 0:22:10 GMT -5
Wow! It really sounds like you're enjoying the (re?)read The Semi-Retired Gamer . I recall really liking God Emperor of Dune, but I have not re-read anything other than Dune recently. I am! I tried reading it at a very young age - too young - but never finished it. Basically new to me. 🤣 Somethings you just have to wait till you are ready. Some books I read at 25, I hated, looked at them again in my 50s and loved them and vice versa.
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Post by raikenclw on Dec 3, 2021 17:30:06 GMT -5
I am! I tried reading it at a very young age - too young - but never finished it. Basically new to me. 🤣 Somethings you just have to wait till you are ready. Some books I read at 25, I hated, looked at them again in my 50s and loved them and vice versa. I just ordered an omnibus edition of "Hiero's Journey" and "The Unforsaken Hiero" - both by Sterling E Lanier and originally published in the late '80s - and I hope they're both still as good as I remember. I initially tried to obtain them through Interlibrary Loan, but all of the handful of copies which appeared in my library's ILL network turned out to have been stolen from the shelves at the three different libraries concerned. I've offered to donate my purchase to my library once I'm finished (I have paperback copies of both somewhere in my mess) and they might take me up on this (depending upon the condition of the ordered hardback, once it reaches me).
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Post by El Borak on Dec 4, 2021 12:47:13 GMT -5
Oh and I forgot to post, I saw Dune and I think it is awesome!
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Post by hengest on Dec 4, 2021 22:11:43 GMT -5
I am! I tried reading it at a very young age - too young - but never finished it. Basically new to me. 🤣 Somethings you just have to wait till you are ready. Some books I read at 25, I hated, looked at them again in my 50s and loved them and vice versa. This phenomenon makes sense, but it kind of bothers me. I read Phantastes some years ago, not even that many, loved it, continue to recommend it to people, but I can't read it again myself. C.S. Lewis described reading it as the "baptism" of his imagination. Maybe you just can't experience it the same way twice. Or maybe it's just me.
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Post by El Borak on Dec 5, 2021 16:28:42 GMT -5
Somethings you just have to wait till you are ready. Some books I read at 25, I hated, looked at them again in my 50s and loved them and vice versa. This phenomenon makes sense, but it kind of bothers me. I read Phantastes some years ago, not even that many, loved it, continue to recommend it to people, but I can't read it again myself. C.S. Lewis described reading it as the "baptism" of his imagination. Maybe you just can't experience it the same way twice. Or maybe it's just me. I have read books that I loved, but would never read again. The books I re-read are usually pure entertainment more often than not, not to say I do not re-read serious books, I do, but not as many.
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Post by raikenclw on Dec 8, 2021 2:19:19 GMT -5
This phenomenon makes sense, but it kind of bothers me. I read Phantastes some years ago, not even that many, loved it, continue to recommend it to people, but I can't read it again myself. C.S. Lewis described reading it as the "baptism" of his imagination. Maybe you just can't experience it the same way twice. Or maybe it's just me. I have read books that I loved, but would never read again. The books I re-read are usually pure entertainment more often than not, not to say I do not re-read serious books, I do, but not as many. The book the I've re-read most often - four times total (so far), although the last time was at least twenty years ago - is pure escapist fiction: Jericho 52, by Martin Caidin.
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Post by The Semi-Retired Gamer on Dec 18, 2021 9:28:21 GMT -5
Barring any unforeseen surprises, I am going to watch Dune at noon today.
I'm currently about 20% into Dune Messiah.
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Post by The Semi-Retired Gamer on Dec 19, 2021 8:36:51 GMT -5
Barring any unforeseen surprises, I am going to watch Dune at noon today. I'm currently about 20% into Dune Messiah. My son and I ate lunch and then watched DUNE. That movie was incredible! We enjoyed it tremendously. The visuals were stunning, and the sounds were amplified perfectly by the theater sound system. It seemed to go by pretty quickly for a movie of that length and that's great. I wasn't bored at any point throughout this movie and I'm really looking forward to the sequel. I have no complaints, but I do have one question. I envisioned Jessica as more reserved - and this may very well be based on MY ASSUMPTION and nothing else - instead of the visually emotional portrayal at times. Basically, closer to Spock but not quite that reserved. Am I projecting my own assumptions and expectations from the previous films or is this based on the novel? Regardless, it didn't take away from the film or my enjoyment. Now, I want to buy the Dune and Children of Dune mini-series so I'll have every version of film Dune; unless there IS a version of Jadorowski's Dune floating around out there.... .
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Post by raikenclw on Dec 21, 2021 3:40:54 GMT -5
I envisioned Jessica as more reserved - and this may very well be based on MY ASSUMPTION and nothing else - instead of the visually emotional portrayal at times. Basically, closer to Spock but not quite that reserved. Am I projecting my own assumptions and expectations from the previous films or is this based on the novel? From what I have read about the new film, these visual emotions on the part of Jessica were a conscious decision of the actress. They were made in order to add necessary subtext to the scenes in question, subtext that had been provided [in an unavoidably heavy-handed manner] by the narrator in Lynch's version.
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Post by The Semi-Retired Gamer on Dec 23, 2021 19:48:17 GMT -5
I envisioned Jessica as more reserved - and this may very well be based on MY ASSUMPTION and nothing else - instead of the visually emotional portrayal at times. Basically, closer to Spock but not quite that reserved. Am I projecting my own assumptions and expectations from the previous films or is this based on the novel? From what I have read about the new film, these visual emotions on the part of Jessica were a conscious decision of the actress. They were made in order to add necessary subtext to the scenes in question, subtext that had been provided [in an unavoidably heavy-handed manner] by the narrator in Lynch's version. Ahhhh, that makes sense!
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