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Post by Vladimir, The Dark Prince on Oct 3, 2021 19:45:19 GMT -5
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Post by Vladimir, The Dark Prince on Oct 3, 2021 19:46:04 GMT -5
I'll go first, I don't thing eating pixies or nixies for that matter is acceptable, I think that is a bridge too far.
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Post by hengest on Oct 3, 2021 22:09:40 GMT -5
Certainly in my hoped-for setting / campaign world, no eating humanoids. And now that I think of it, I think I would like a pretty clearl distinction between humanoids and others. I don't think I care to have orcs of any name, and I guess this is another good reason.
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Post by Vladimir, The Dark Prince on Oct 3, 2021 23:45:18 GMT -5
Certainly in my hoped-for setting / campaign world, no eating humanoids. And now that I think of it, I think I would like a pretty clearl distinction between humanoids and others. I don't think I care to have orcs of any name, and I guess this is another good reason. How would you define humanoids, what ones would you have in your world and what ones besides orcs would be out? |
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Post by The Perilous Dreamer on Oct 4, 2021 15:30:07 GMT -5
I don't think as a player I would eat anything that was humanoid, no matter if they were an inch tall or a giant. I also would probably draw the line at anything really intelligent like dragons. Beholders on the other hand could not possibly taste good, so two strikes - one for intelligence and one for taste - plus they would likely be toxic, so add a third strike.
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Post by The Perilous Dreamer on Oct 4, 2021 15:31:44 GMT -5
I'll go first, I don't thing eating pixies or nixies for that matter is acceptable, I think that is a bridge too far. Yeah nothing cute either, so the young are also ruled out, since pretty much all baby animals are cute. |
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Post by hengest on Oct 4, 2021 15:52:54 GMT -5
Certainly in my hoped-for setting / campaign world, no eating humanoids. And now that I think of it, I think I would like a pretty clearl distinction between humanoids and others. I don't think I care to have orcs of any name, and I guess this is another good reason. How would you define humanoids, what ones would you have in your world and what ones besides orcs would be out? I haven't thought deeply on this (maybe can do so and post about it), but I think I would not like monstrous humanoids at all. I would prefer a relatively "fair" (I mean potentially nice-looking, not fair-skinned) set of humanoid races, including possible winged folk or minis like my manikins, even if some are considered trouble or evil. |
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Post by Admin Pete on Oct 4, 2021 16:28:23 GMT -5
How would you define humanoids, what ones would you have in your world and what ones besides orcs would be out? I haven't thought deeply on this (maybe can do so and post about it), but I think I would not like monstrous humanoids at all. I would prefer a relatively "fair" (I mean potentially nice-looking, not fair-skinned) set of humanoid races, including possible winged folk or minis like my manikins, even if some are considered trouble or evil. I love having lots of humanoid races from humans who can be good or evil to monstrous races that can only be evil on one end all the way to the other end of the spectrum where all the races can be good or evil with no universal bad guys. I am good with it either way. |
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Post by hengest on Oct 4, 2021 16:30:50 GMT -5
I haven't thought deeply on this (maybe can do so and post about it), but I think I would not like monstrous humanoids at all. I would prefer a relatively "fair" (I mean potentially nice-looking, not fair-skinned) set of humanoid races, including possible winged folk or minis like my manikins, even if some are considered trouble or evil. I love having lots of humanoid races from humans who can be good or evil to monstrous races that can only be evil on one end all the way to the other end of the spectrum where all the races can be good or evil with no universal bad guys. I am good with it either way. I don't mind these things (except for eating) in someone else's setting, but in my slowly developing setting I think that is too busy for me. Just too much cognitive load. That probably sounds ridiculous, but I am not that good with faces and the notion of allllll these races to tell apart just sounds to me like a lot of painful and not rewarding work. |
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Post by El Borak on Oct 4, 2021 16:43:03 GMT -5
I love having lots of humanoid races from humans who can be good or evil to monstrous races that can only be evil on one end all the way to the other end of the spectrum where all the races can be good or evil with no universal bad guys. I am good with it either way. I don't mind these things (except for eating) in someone else's setting, but in my slowly developing setting I think that is too busy for me. Just too much cognitive load. That probably sounds ridiculous, but I am not that good with faces and the notion of allllll these races to tell apart just sounds to me like a lot of painful and not rewarding work. Right now in OD&D, just the original three little books, we have goblins, kobolds, orcs, hobgoblins, gnolls, ogres, trolls, and giants, none of which are normally a PC race, along with the PC races of human, elf, dwarf and hobbit. Also mentioned as gnomes, nixies, pixies and dryads. I have used all of those, but in my mind they all look different and after 40 plus years it is second nature. On the other hand, I think your setting is going to be more complex than anything I have run. You could go with only humans. But I, and I think I have read PD feels this way too, try to avoid having the players go up against human bad guys and I use the trope of irredeemable evil, but then I also use no young for those races, they come into being fully adult and fully hostile, but will deal with you if they think they can gain an advantage by doing so and they do hold hostages for ransom so it is not a kill only option game either. |
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Post by El Borak on Oct 4, 2021 16:44:32 GMT -5
I don't think as a player I would eat anything that was humanoid, no matter if they were an inch tall or a giant. I also would probably draw the line at anything really intelligent like dragons. Beholders on the other hand could not possibly taste good, so two strikes - one for intelligence and one for taste - plus they would likely be toxic, so add a third strike. I go with this, no eating humanoids, that is an evil act. |
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Post by El Borak on Oct 4, 2021 17:00:59 GMT -5
I'll go first, I don't thing eating pixies or nixies for that matter is acceptable, I think that is a bridge too far. Yeah nothing cute either, so the young are also ruled out, since pretty much all baby animals are cute. People who kill or mistreat puppies or kittens or any animals have something seriously wrong with them. But if you can look at the cute face and sad little puppy eyes and hurt the poor thing, you need locked up. |
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Post by hengest on Oct 4, 2021 17:12:44 GMT -5
I don't mind these things (except for eating) in someone else's setting, but in my slowly developing setting I think that is too busy for me. Just too much cognitive load. That probably sounds ridiculous, but I am not that good with faces and the notion of allllll these races to tell apart just sounds to me like a lot of painful and not rewarding work. Right now in OD&D, just the original three little books, we have goblins, kobolds, orcs, hobgoblins, gnolls, ogres, trolls, and giants, none of which are normally a PC race, along with the PC races of human, elf, dwarf and hobbit. Also mentioned as gnomes, nixies, pixies and dryads. I have used all of those, but in my mind they all look different and after 40 plus years it is second nature. On the other hand, I think your setting is going to be more complex than anything I have run. You could go with only humans. But I, and I think I have read PD feels this way too, try to avoid having the players go up against human bad guys and I use the trope of irredeemable evil, but then I also use no young for those races, they come into being fully adult and fully hostile, but will deal with you if they think they can gain an advantage by doing so and they do hold hostages for ransom so it is not a kill only option game either. Maybe I am overthinking it! Right now I am thinking three very human races, playable, plus manikins unplayable and possibly unicorns. |
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Post by The Perilous Dreamer on Oct 4, 2021 18:35:09 GMT -5
I don't mind these things (except for eating) in someone else's setting, but in my slowly developing setting I think that is too busy for me. Just too much cognitive load. That probably sounds ridiculous, but I am not that good with faces and the notion of allllll these races to tell apart just sounds to me like a lot of painful and not rewarding work. Right now in OD&D, just the original three little books, we have goblins, kobolds, orcs, hobgoblins, gnolls, ogres, trolls, and giants, none of which are normally a PC race, along with the PC races of human, elf, dwarf and hobbit. Also mentioned as gnomes, nixies, pixies and dryads. I have used all of those, but in my mind they all look different and after 40 plus years it is second nature. On the other hand, I think your setting is going to be more complex than anything I have run. You could go with only humans. But I, and I think I have read PD feels this way too, try to avoid having the players go up against human bad guys and I use the trope of irredeemable evil, but then I also use no young for those races, they come into being fully adult and fully hostile, but will deal with you if they think they can gain an advantage by doing so and they do hold hostages for ransom so it is not a kill only option game either. Yeah, I have said that before. I really avoid using human bad guys, especially if I have kids in the game, I just don't have them fighting humans, only the irredeemable evil with no baby anything bad. Kids don't need those moral dilemmas in a game from someone other than their parents. I stick to, you do something stupid or irresponsible you find out there are consequences. |
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Post by boarspear on Oct 6, 2021 13:19:10 GMT -5
I'll go first, I don't thing eating pixies or nixies for that matter is acceptable, I think that is a bridge too far. I think killing and eating Tinker Bell or anything close to that is way over the line. |
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Post by hengest on Oct 6, 2021 13:21:42 GMT -5
I'll go first, I don't thing eating pixies or nixies for that matter is acceptable, I think that is a bridge too far. I think killing and eating Tinker Bell or anything close to that is way over the line. Personally, I don't even want this IMC as an evil act ("Those people are doing this evil thing") by NPCs. |
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Post by El Borak on Oct 6, 2021 13:25:29 GMT -5
Right now in OD&D, just the original three little books, we have goblins, kobolds, orcs, hobgoblins, gnolls, ogres, trolls, and giants, none of which are normally a PC race, along with the PC races of human, elf, dwarf and hobbit. Also mentioned as gnomes, nixies, pixies and dryads. I have used all of those, but in my mind they all look different and after 40 plus years it is second nature. On the other hand, I think your setting is going to be more complex than anything I have run. You could go with only humans. But I, and I think I have read PD feels this way too, try to avoid having the players go up against human bad guys and I use the trope of irredeemable evil, but then I also use no young for those races, they come into being fully adult and fully hostile, but will deal with you if they think they can gain an advantage by doing so and they do hold hostages for ransom so it is not a kill only option game either. Maybe I am overthinking it! Right now I am thinking three very human races, playable, plus manikins unplayable and possibly unicorns. I think sometimes you do overthink it, but to be fair we all do that from time to time and we all have small areas where we do that more than we do in other areas. I also think it makes a difference of what kind of players you have. I agree with PD that if you have kids in your game you should run it so it is age appropriate it. You also have to run the game so you as the DM/Ref enjoy the game and are comfortable. Many, if not most, of us here include little, if any, sex in our games, where for some people that is a major focus of their game. |
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Post by El Borak on Oct 6, 2021 13:28:00 GMT -5
I think killing and eating Tinker Bell or anything close to that is way over the line. Personally, I don't even want this IMC as an evil act ("Those people are doing this evil thing") by NPCs. I agree, somethings you just don't want to go there. Other things you have happen off camera. If orcs or other baddies are raiding/killing and burning frontier farmsteads, that takes place off camera, but the PCs may choose to go after them. |
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