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Post by arjen on Aug 17, 2021 16:42:06 GMT -5
I just received the hardcover Lost Dungeons of Tonisborg book and am slowly reading and absorbing the info in it, particularly the ZED type rules at the end of the book. Is there a sub-forum for that already here? I'm dying to discuss some of the stuff I found in the book.
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Post by hengest on Aug 17, 2021 17:41:56 GMT -5
The Perilous Dreamer has it. When you guys can, please discuss! Admin Pete can help set you up a thread or direct you where to start it. Or merge it. And please tag me in!
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Post by The Semi-Retired Gamer on Aug 17, 2021 17:54:09 GMT -5
I just received the hardcover Lost Dungeons of Tonisborg book and am slowly reading and absorbing the info in it, particularly the ZED type rules at the end of the book. Is there a sub-forum for that already here? I'm dying to discuss some of the stuff I found in the book. I wanna hear more about this!!!!!! |
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Post by Admin Pete on Aug 17, 2021 17:59:13 GMT -5
When it was only The Perilous Dreamer that had the book we were not going to create a specific forum for it, since discussion would be limited. But I am going to move this thread to an area just for that along with the other two existing threads. arjen, hengest, The Semi-Retired Gamer and everyone else. |
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Post by The Semi-Retired Gamer on Aug 17, 2021 18:03:40 GMT -5
When it was only The Perilous Dreamer that had the book we were not going to create a specific forum for it, since discussion would be limited. But I am going to move this thread to an area just for that along with the other two existing threads. arjen , hengest , The Semi-Retired Gamer and everyone else. Thank you, sir! |
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Post by Admin Pete on Aug 17, 2021 18:05:34 GMT -5
When it was only The Perilous Dreamer that had the book we were not going to create a specific forum for it, since discussion would be limited. But I am going to move this thread to an area just for that along with the other two existing threads. arjen , hengest , The Semi-Retired Gamer and everyone else. Thank you, sir! You are quite welcome! |
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Post by The Perilous Dreamer on Aug 17, 2021 19:13:31 GMT -5
I just received the hardcover Lost Dungeons of Tonisborg book and am slowly reading and absorbing the info in it, particularly the ZED type rules at the end of the book. Is there a sub-forum for that already here? I'm dying to discuss some of the stuff I found in the book. as the Admin Pete said, as I was the only one with a book, I was just going to talk about it a bit, since even if they do another printing (crazy not too!) it would be quite a while before that happens. But since we have someone else with the book, now we are talking. |
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Post by The Perilous Dreamer on Aug 17, 2021 21:26:56 GMT -5
I just received the hardcover Lost Dungeons of Tonisborg book and am slowly reading and absorbing the info in it, particularly the ZED type rules at the end of the book. Is there a sub-forum for that already here? I'm dying to discuss some of the stuff I found in the book. I created a thread for each section of the book as laid out in the Table of Contents, so start anywhere that grabs you. |
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Post by boarspear on Aug 17, 2021 21:52:38 GMT -5
Hope these become available before too long. If they do another printing it would be great if it were in time for Christmas.
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Post by arjen on Aug 17, 2021 22:06:13 GMT -5
Thanks, so much
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Post by The Perilous Dreamer on Aug 17, 2021 22:16:39 GMT -5
Just glad someone else has the book too!  |
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Post by arjen on Aug 18, 2021 19:29:28 GMT -5
![]() Could there be a separate section on the maps/mini posters that came with kickstarter too? I am obsessed by the first campaign map as it is based on my home country; I was born and grew up, for instance, in the Northwest town on the map (second town from the top left; Haarlem), I went to college, did research, lived and worked in basically the 50% of map that is the general North Western part of the area. I lived across a real ruined castle for the first 11 years (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Huis_ter_Kleef); my father was born and grew up in the general area that is Blackmoor Castle. As I have already and wanted to set my future campaign in this general area (especially Haarlem) as I could use the (real) names, visuals and history of this place to enrich my campaign (given that I now live in CT, USA) I did some research in the sagas, mythology and history of this region. And it did not disappoint. There is a castle/town just north west of Castle Blackmoor, which is the general area that in real world Muiden and Nuiderberg is situated, were according to a 1613 tragedy/play (by P.C.Hooft, the Netherlands most important Renaissance poet/playwright and Historican) 'Geeraerdt van Velsen' a sorcerer lived in a hollow oak, "Timon de Tovenaar" that would call on the Goddess Hecate to summon Ghosts or Demons to tell the future or uncover secrets, he was classified in some literal history books as a Necromancer or Negromancer (black magic user)> Also, a thief operation in the North Mid-West was known to be a thief magician as he was able to use magic and enchantment to keep out of the hands of the law (in one story being able to paralyze the major, sheriff and guardsmen ready to arrest him in a tavern). His name was "platte Thijs", translating as "flat Thijs" (Thijs is a shortening of "Mathias"), he got the name because the first time he was arrested his nose got chopped off. His fame grew after he escaped by bending the bars of his cell and run away. I envision him as a MU with a high strength and low moral. Other tales of his magic were about his ability to always win at dice games. He met his end by betting his soul (or "everything") when playing an old man that turned out to be the Devil; the devil beat his 12 score by rolling 2 dice that broke mid roll showing 13 pips (a common trope I understand). The name of the city Haarlem is, apparently, derived from the name of a "giant" called Lem that build the center of the town all by himself. The name 'Haarlem" is purportedly the assembly of "Heer Lem" which translates as "Lord Lem" (think "Herr" as used in many German stories/movies with Germans). The son of this Heer Lem, "Aurindulius", grew to be know as the King with the Donkey Ears (like Midas) and became the King of Friesland (which is the area of the West of Dave's map and an area north of the map that is a large as Dave's map. Apparently animal features were common in this family of city founding giants as the other son of Heer Lem was called "Falk-eye" and founden a city called "Valkenburg" that still exists to the South East of Dave's map (that town was in the news recently with the big flood that happened in Germany, Belgium and the South part of the Netherland) The south part of Dave's map is the North border of a "proper" (allegedly) gnome Kingdom spanning the Southern part of the Netherlands and the Northern part of Belgium. These gnomes were secretive and helpful the same what that (Scandinavian)Tomte, (German) Kobolds, Leprechauns and Brownies were/are. Their capital was under the Devils Mountain (basically a burial hill, everything higher than 100 feet is a mountain in the Netherlands), situated just South of the Middle of the map. This Kingdom dissolved only abou 70 years ago when the legendary gnome king Kyrie got shot by accident by a local hunter (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gnome_King_Kyri%C3%AB). Also just South of the map are the 'hunting grounds' of a notorious gang of bandit named the "bokkenrijders" (Buck Riders, "buck" as in male goat). This gang was described as a cult of devil worshippers of Robin Hood like robbers based on the source you read. As understood this was a robber gang that started mostly robbing rich farmers and town notables and distributing the loot among the poor, especially making sure that all the members had "normal' day jobs so no member could be a "usual suspect". It got it's name when it got big enough to hit several towns on the same night so the myth grew that the gang was able to travel by riding flying goats from 1 town to the other to do so may robberies in 1 night. This myth was adopted by the gang to grow their notoriety and appeal. According to some sources it was also used when the gang started targeting rich abbeys, convents and churches and had new recruits spit on the cross and devote their fealty to Satan. How much of this was the demonization from the authorities to crack down on the gang and start arresting "suspects" and extracting "confessions" to make a show that they "where doing something" and "where fighting Satan worshippers" is not exactly known but it is suspected that a lot of innocent poor farmers and farmer hands where prosecuted in this process of showing strength. All in all, a great source for great campaign/plot hooks. |
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Post by hengest on Aug 18, 2021 19:38:39 GMT -5
Exalt for this killer post, arjen! |
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Post by The Perilous Dreamer on Aug 18, 2021 19:49:05 GMT -5
![]() Could there be a separate section on the maps/mini posters that came with kickstarter too? I am obsessed by the first campaign map as it is based on my home country; I was born and grew up, for instance, in the Northwest town on the map (second town from the top left; Haarlem), I went to college, did research, lived and worked in basically the 50% of map that is the general North Western part of the area. I lived across a real ruined castle for the first 11 years (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Huis_ter_Kleef); my father was born and grew up in the general area that is Blackmoor Castle. Hmmm most of the maps in the book are in this section of the book TLDoT - The Dungeons of Tonisborg - Part III. There are the original images on pages 4-15. Are you wanting a section just for the original images, separate from the rest of that section? Also for maps/mini posters I am not sure what you are referring to, I did not receive anything separate from the book. We can do that, if I am sure I understand what you want. |
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Post by The Perilous Dreamer on Aug 18, 2021 19:52:01 GMT -5
![]() Snip That is an incredible amount of detail and information, have an Exalt! |
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Post by arjen on Aug 18, 2021 19:57:19 GMT -5
![]() Could there be a separate section on the maps/mini posters that came with kickstarter too? I am obsessed by the first campaign map as it is based on my home country; I was born and grew up, for instance, in the Northwest town on the map (second town from the top left; Haarlem), I went to college, did research, lived and worked in basically the 50% of map that is the general North Western part of the area. I lived across a real ruined castle for the first 11 years (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Huis_ter_Kleef); my father was born and grew up in the general area that is Blackmoor Castle. Hmmm most of the maps in the book are in this section of the book TLDoT - The Dungeons of Tonisborg - Part III. There are the original images on pages 4-15. Are you wanting a section just for the original images, separate from the rest of that section? Also for maps/mini posters I am not sure what you are referring to, I did not receive anything separate from the book. We can do that, if I am sure I understand what you want. I was referring to the 2 separate poster maps that came as an extra for with the kickstarter called the "emergence of Blackmoor" and "The original maps of Blackmoor". As such maybe not directly linked to Tonisborg but more directly linked to the spoils from the secrets of Blackmoor documentary kickstarter. |
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Post by The Perilous Dreamer on Aug 18, 2021 20:04:20 GMT -5
Hmmm most of the maps in the book are in this section of the book TLDoT - The Dungeons of Tonisborg - Part III. There are the original images on pages 4-15. Are you wanting a section just for the original images, separate from the rest of that section? Also for maps/mini posters I am not sure what you are referring to, I did not receive anything separate from the book. We can do that, if I am sure I understand what you want. I was referring to the 2 separate poster maps that came as an extra for with the kickstarter called the "emergence of Blackmoor" and "The original maps of Blackmoor". As such maybe not directly linked to Tonisborg but more directly linked to the spoils from the secrets of Blackmoor documentary kickstarter. I had forgotten about those, they are in a different place. Sure go ahead and start the thread for those arjen . You should be able to create a new thread. I put those up to keep them from getting damaged. Haven't framed them yet. I will have to locate them, when I put things away, then I have to find them again. |
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