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Post by Mighty Darci on Jan 3, 2019 21:04:42 GMT -5
JMiskimen, why do you refer to yourself as a heretic on your profile? I'm not seeing the application of that.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2019 21:25:55 GMT -5
Mostly because I think OD&D is inferior to Swords & Wizardry, but I fixed the title so that I may fade back into obscurity.
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Post by Mighty Darci on Jan 3, 2019 21:44:08 GMT -5
Mostly because I think OD&D is inferior to Swords & Wizardry, but I fixed the title so that I may fade back into obscurity. Other than the lack of editing what things do you think are inferior? And how do you think other clones compare to S&W?
Admin can we get a new thread for this?
You'll never be obscure, you are too famous. You are the multi-blog man!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2019 22:02:31 GMT -5
I should have specified, Sword & Wizardry Whitebox is superior to OD&D for more than a couple reasons that nostalgiacs refuse to acknowledge.
1. Saving Throws have always represented Luck, and being luckier at magic from wands and regular magic is stupid. One could make an argument that evading a breath weapon falls under a DEX save rather than a saving throw, but I think the relative power of a breath weapon pushes this into the Luck category as well. One single Saving Throw stat more than suffices.
2. Ascending Armor class eliminates the need for space wasting charts that keep getting harder to read year after year with failing eyesight.
3. S&W:WB is a heluva lot cheaper than OD&D. 1st edition is free at most websites I've found, including my own. Naturally, you'll want a printed copy at your table, I suggest going to Staples and getting a spiral bound copy. Spiral binding may not be as slick or sexy as other options, but she'll lay flat behind your screen at a table and fold back to a single page view with no trouble.
4. Obviously, the lack of editing in OD&D is well documented. This is detrimental to bringing new people to the game.
5. I'll go one step further in the S&W family of products by claiming the Swords & Wizardy Light - but especially Continual Light are pure genius in layout ... a complete game in 24 pages or less. I am currently adapting Arduin to this format.
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Post by Admin Pete on Jan 3, 2019 23:57:13 GMT -5
See my edit comment on the first post.
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Post by bravewolf on Jan 4, 2019 1:36:25 GMT -5
I should have specified, Sword & Wizardry Whitebox is superior to OD&D for more than a couple reasons that nostalgiacs refuse to acknowledge. 1. Saving Throws have always represented Luck, and being luckier at magic from wands and regular magic is stupid. One could make an argument that evading a breath weapon falls under a DEX save rather than a saving throw, but I think the relative power of a breath weapon pushes this into the Luck category as well. One single Saving Throw stat more than suffices. 2. Ascending Armor class eliminates the need for space wasting charts that keep getting harder to read year after year with failing eyesight. 3. S&W:WB is a heluva lot cheaper than OD&D. 1st edition is free at most websites I've found, including my own. Naturally, you'll want a printed copy at your table, I suggest going to Staples and getting a spiral bound copy. Spiral binding may not be as slick or sexy as other options, but she'll lay flat behind your screen at a table and fold back to a single page view with no trouble. 4. Obviously, the lack of editing in OD&D is well documented. This is detrimental to bringing new people to the game. 5. I'll go one step further in the S&W family of products by claiming the Swords & Wizardy Light - but especially Continual Light are pure genius in layout ... a complete game in 24 pages or less. I am currently adapting Arduin to this format. I sure hope that we can have a peek at your S&W + Arduin concoction when you've worked it up to your satisfaction - or at least a summary of it. I am interested because Arduin and also because when I last looked at some of the S&W products, I wasn't feeling them. I do feel OD&D, however, warts and all. Maybe that will change after I run some pure 3LBB games this weekend (hopefully!) with the wee lass; I've only used OD&D to fill in the few gaps in the first three Arduin Grimoires. Game on! |
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Post by simrion on Jan 4, 2019 6:30:16 GMT -5
I second bravewolf's comment! Ooohh oooohh Arduin!
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Post by mao on Jan 4, 2019 7:30:46 GMT -5
Mostly because I think OD&D is inferior to Swords & Wizardry, but I fixed the title so that I may fade back into obscurity. You gotta try a lot harder to be a heritic here. S&W is firmly in the sweet spot here. By that thinking I would be a heritic for adding from the Greyhawk supplement. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2019 7:33:33 GMT -5
Mostly because I think OD&D is inferior to Swords & Wizardry, but I fixed the title so that I may fade back into obscurity. You gotta try a lot harder to be a heritic here. S&W is firmly in the sweet spot here. By that thinking I would be a heritic for adding from the Greyhawk supplement. I never did like you very much. In fact, I post a lot less here because of you. How's that for heretical? |
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Post by mao on Jan 4, 2019 7:50:41 GMT -5
You gotta try a lot harder to be a heritic here. S&W is firmly in the sweet spot here. By that thinking I would be a heritic for adding from the Greyhawk supplement. I never did like you very much. In fact, I post a lot less here because of you. How's that for heretical? No still not heretical. I am very much aware that liking me is sometimes hard,or even impossible. I still welcome dissenting opinions on me. I wish you would not use me as your reason for not posting, and I'm not about to start a flame war. So Please, post a way! |
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Post by The Perilous Dreamer on Jan 4, 2019 8:20:19 GMT -5
Mostly because I think OD&D is inferior to Swords & Wizardry, but I fixed the title so that I may fade back into obscurity. Heretic, rebel, rabel-rouser! Obscurity! You are infamous JMiskimen, never to be obscure again!   |
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Post by The Perilous Dreamer on Jan 4, 2019 8:39:01 GMT -5
I should have specified, Sword & Wizardry Whitebox is superior to OD&D for more than a couple reasons that nostalgiacs refuse to acknowledge. 1. Saving Throws have always represented Luck, and being luckier at magic from wands and regular magic is stupid. One could make an argument that evading a breath weapon falls under a DEX save rather than a saving throw, but I think the relative power of a breath weapon pushes this into the Luck category as well. One single Saving Throw stat more than suffices. 2. Ascending Armor class eliminates the need for space wasting charts that keep getting harder to read year after year with failing eyesight. 3. S&W:WB is a heluva lot cheaper than OD&D. 1st edition is free at most websites I've found, including my own. Naturally, you'll want a printed copy at your table, I suggest going to Staples and getting a spiral bound copy. Spiral binding may not be as slick or sexy as other options, but she'll lay flat behind your screen at a table and fold back to a single page view with no trouble. 4. Obviously, the lack of editing in OD&D is well documented. This is detrimental to bringing new people to the game. 5. I'll go one step further in the S&W family of products by claiming the Swords & Wizardy Light - but especially Continual Light are pure genius in layout ... a complete game in 24 pages or less. I am currently adapting Arduin to this format. IMO Delving Deeper is superior to S&W any version. I'm going to disagree with you on OD&D and not from nostalgia, because I never stopped playing it. 1. Saving Throws are luck and for me it is not about what suffices, it is about flavor in my estimation. 2. I use Descending Armor Class and I have run that sans charts, but as a rule the charts which are in the reference sheets are about the only thing I use at the table and don't crack the books. And it is fairly easy to print those charts larger and easy to read if you need it. I will think about doing that. 3. I will grant you this, although when I bought OD&D the books and box were only $10.00. I did get the pdfs from rpgnow and I still might someday copy paste and then edit to create a printable OD&D with all the original verbiage, art of my choice and get it spiral bound.  4. Since players don't need to know the rules, I have never seen this as an issue. I will edit admit that some light editing would be beneficial to new refs, although if they are learning from an experienced ref it goes back to a non-issue. 5. I have not seen S&W Light, I will have to look for that, can you post a link? There is another version of S&W called Continual Light? Yeah Arduin! |
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Post by The Perilous Dreamer on Jan 4, 2019 8:40:58 GMT -5
I second bravewolf's comment! Ooohh oooohh Arduin! I would be in favor of a lot of posting about Arduin! |
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Post by The Perilous Dreamer on Jan 4, 2019 8:42:35 GMT -5
sure hope that we can have a peek at your S&W + Arduin concoction when you've worked it up to your satisfaction - or at least a summary of it. I am interested because Arduin and also because when I last looked at some of the S&W products, I wasn't feeling them. I do feel OD&D, however, warts and all. Maybe that will change after I run some pure 3LBB games this weekend (hopefully!) with the wee lass; I've only used OD&D to fill in the few gaps in the first three Arduin Grimoires. Game on! I want to see this too! |
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Post by The Perilous Dreamer on Jan 4, 2019 8:44:22 GMT -5
Mostly because I think OD&D is inferior to Swords & Wizardry, but I fixed the title so that I may fade back into obscurity. You gotta try a lot harder to be a heritic here. S&W is firmly in the sweet spot here. By that thinking I would be a heritic for adding from the Greyhawk supplement. , you are a heretic for lots of reasons, using Greyhawk with S&W would be the least of it. |
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Post by The Perilous Dreamer on Jan 4, 2019 8:46:13 GMT -5
You gotta try a lot harder to be a heritic here. S&W is firmly in the sweet spot here. By that thinking I would be a heritic for adding from the Greyhawk supplement. I never did like you very much. In fact, I post a lot less here because of you. How's that for heretical? Yeah, that is definitely heretical. There are no excuses for posting less here. Besides I like both of you and would love to see at least 1000 posts a year from both of you. Oh wait! mao is ahead of that schedule doing nearly 2000 in a year and a half. Have an exalt mao. JMiskimen you are slacking, I expect to see you pick up the pace!  I love you man! |
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Post by The Perilous Dreamer on Jan 4, 2019 8:51:02 GMT -5
I never did like you very much. In fact, I post a lot less here because of you. How's that for heretical? No still not heretical. I am very much aware that liking me is sometimes hard,or even impossible. I still welcome dissenting opinions on me. I wish you would not use me as your reason for not posting, and I'm not about to start a flame war. So Please, post a way! No mao, liking you is easy IMO! No flame wars is a good thing! |
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Post by The Perilous Dreamer on Jan 4, 2019 8:52:03 GMT -5
OK, I have had my fun back to the discussion. I needed a good laugh this morning. Thank you all! |
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Post by El Borak on Jan 4, 2019 11:01:10 GMT -5
I never did like you very much. In fact, I post a lot less here because of you. How's that for heretical? No still not heretical. I am very much aware that liking me is sometimes hard,or even impossible. I still welcome dissenting opinions on me. I wish you would not use me as your reason for not posting, and I'm not about to start a flame war. So Please, post a way! Have an exalt mao, all water off a ducks back! |
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Post by El Borak on Jan 4, 2019 11:04:09 GMT -5
Mostly because I think OD&D is inferior to Swords & Wizardry, but I fixed the title so that I may fade back into obscurity. Heretic, rebel, rabel-rouser! Obscurity! You are infamous JMiskimen , never to be obscure again! , isn't this the pot calling the kettle black? Besides isn't this a membership requirement? |
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Post by El Borak on Jan 4, 2019 11:10:09 GMT -5
I never did like you very much. In fact, I post a lot less here because of you. How's that for heretical? Yeah, that is definitely heretical. There are no excuses for posting less here. Besides I like both of you and would love to see at least 1000 posts a year from both of you. Oh wait! mao is ahead of that schedule doing nearly 2000 in a year and a half. Have an exalt mao . JMiskimen you are slacking, I expect to see you pick up the pace! I love you man! Don't forget The Perilous Dreamer, that JMiskimen is running games right now, unlike many of the rest of us who are not currently able to game for one reason or another. Some of us have time on our hands and he doesn't so cut him some slack! Besides as raikenclw said, real life takes precedence. |
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Post by Harry Wolf on Jan 15, 2019 18:59:44 GMT -5
I thought we were all Heretics (Wolves) with the ignorant Hounds (dogs) baying for our blood! After all these days, DIY and Originality are considered heretical by the so-called-old-school-main-stream-our-way-or-the-highway-crowd. Those are the "gamers" that don't like TPD and by extension all of us as they huddle in their bunkers afraid of nothing but fear itself.
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