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Post by Hexenritter Verlag on Aug 3, 2018 0:56:13 GMT -5
Has anyone seen the Pathfinder 2e Play-test yet? I have & I am not impressed at all. I am likely to chock it up with 4e D&D as a game I won't bother ever playing or running. 3.5 D&D & Pathfinder 1e were bad enough, but I'll not pore through this immense tome to just run or play this game. Multiple pages of class ability descriptions for each class. The stat boxes for feats and such look like bloody Magic the Gathering cards with their icons, triggers and such. I think I'll stick with Old School RPGs or New School RPGs that emulate Old School style of play. Heck I'd rather play 5e D&D, HARP, Rolemaster or RuneQuest than Pathfinder 2e - that just from skimming the PDF.
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Post by mormonyoyoman on Aug 3, 2018 6:33:09 GMT -5
There's already the story of the mailman who broke his back delivering a copy of the previous edition of Pathfinder core rules. 2e is MORE massive?
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Post by mao on Aug 3, 2018 7:46:55 GMT -5
These days I am much more interested in OD&D clones, you peeps have perverted me  |
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Post by ripx187 on Aug 3, 2018 11:17:48 GMT -5
Those Pathfinder fans are loyal and loving it, man. I never looked into the system, but from what I've heard at gaming shops and forums it can slice, dice, and saute. Set it and forget it, take your dog to the vet, cure toothaches, and looks like real hair. That is just what I heard.
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Post by mao on Aug 3, 2018 11:49:34 GMT -5
Those Pathfinder fans are loyal and loving it, man. I never looked into the system, but from what I've heard at gaming shops and forums it can slice, dice, and saute. Set it and forget it, take your dog to the vet, cure toothaches, and looks like real hair. That is just what I heard. Exault for you! |
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Post by Hexenritter Verlag on Aug 3, 2018 12:56:47 GMT -5
There's already the story of the mailman who broke his back delivering a copy of the previous edition of Pathfinder core rules. 2e is MORE massive? There are 419 pages of text plus four pages of a glossary & that doesn't include the current size of the Bestiary that is roughly 125 pages total but it has some useful bits but it still looks like a fusion of D&D and Magic the Gathering. The Bestiary is only keyed to the Play-test adventure path. You'd have to have eidetic memory to run it or digital programs to ease flow of the game. I am not getting any younger, it is way too complex to me. |
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Post by mormonyoyoman on Aug 3, 2018 16:13:11 GMT -5
Before I sold my copy of the first (?) printing, we used it for a dining room table.
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Post by El Borak on Aug 3, 2018 16:50:54 GMT -5
Those Pathfinder fans are loyal and loving it, man. I never looked into the system, but from what I've heard at gaming shops and forums it can slice, dice, and saute. Set it and forget it, take your dog to the vet, cure toothaches, and looks like real hair. That is just what I heard. It is really proving that WotC might have been better off to stick with 3.5E and continue to support it no matter what else they did. By abandoning it they left a gaping void and Pathfinder was there to fill it. In hindsight they might have been better off to continue support for 3.5E and bring back 1E and support it too. |
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Post by Hexenritter Verlag on Aug 3, 2018 17:32:26 GMT -5
Those Pathfinder fans are loyal and loving it, man. I never looked into the system, but from what I've heard at gaming shops and forums it can slice, dice, and saute. Set it and forget it, take your dog to the vet, cure toothaches, and looks like real hair. That is just what I heard. I bet they are but I'd rather run Rolemaster with all its charts than try that behemoth. Anytime I see stat blocks that remind me of Malifaux miniature character cards or Magic the Gathering cards, with Triggers and icons the game has likely lost me. If you are fan of crunch you'll love Pathfinder 2e, if you are like me and don't you'll run to the hills. Take the new RuneQuest is clocking in at 430+ pages itself, but a lot of that is setting overview, the needed intensive character generation rules, the expanded Rune magic rules and I'll assume a bestiary too. But from what I heard the rules once learned fall away from focus as there is a core % based mechanic that nearly everything runs off it. In comparison RuneQuest though complex to me it would be far easier to run than Pathfinder 2e. But again I am not Pathfinder 2e's intended target audience. |
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Post by mormonyoyoman on Aug 3, 2018 18:05:54 GMT -5
[ But again I am not its intended target audience. That intended audience would be Those With Too Much Spare Time and Those Who Buy It to Look at the Pictures. Then again, players don't need to know any rules and GMs mainly need to know how to fake it. I can still run Runequest 2 off the top of my head. On the other hand, the only way I'll run Pathfinder is with the Beginner's Box. |
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Post by Hexenritter Verlag on Aug 3, 2018 18:19:39 GMT -5
[ But again I am not its intended target audience. That intended audience would be Those With Too Much Spare Time and Those Who Buy It to Look at the Pictures. Then again, players don't need to know any rules and GMs mainly need to know how to fake it. I can still run Runequest 2 off the top of my head. On the other hand, the only way I'll run Pathfinder is with the Beginner's Box. True. I plan to get RuneQuest Classic (AKA RuneQuest 2e republished) in HC for $20+ shipping or $25+ shipping with GM's Screen (likely the latter) if I score big on X-Mas gift cards. The new RuneQuest Roleplaying in Glorantha is supposed to be largely based on 2e RQ but with some 3e RQ and the expanded rules on Runes & Rune magic. |
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Post by El Borak on Aug 3, 2018 18:27:15 GMT -5
[ But again I am not its intended target audience. That intended audience would be Those With Too Much Spare Time and Those Who Buy It to Look at the Pictures. Then again, players don't need to know any rules and GMs mainly need to know how to fake it. I can still run Runequest 2 off the top of my head. On the other hand, the only way I'll run Pathfinder is with the Beginner's Box. I think you may be a little too tough on Pathfinder, if you were discovering it as a teen, it might be right up your alley. I would hope that a lot of them discover OD&D at some point, but Pathfinder is a vibrant community so I would not disparage that audience. |
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Post by Hexenritter Verlag on Aug 3, 2018 18:43:24 GMT -5
That intended audience would be Those With Too Much Spare Time and Those Who Buy It to Look at the Pictures. Then again, players don't need to know any rules and GMs mainly need to know how to fake it. I can still run Runequest 2 off the top of my head. On the other hand, the only way I'll run Pathfinder is with the Beginner's Box. I think you may be a little too tough on Pathfinder, if you were discovering it as a teen, it might be right up your alley. I would hope that a lot of them discover OD&D at some point, but Pathfinder is a vibrant community so I would not disparage that audience. Pathfinder 1e wasn't too bad until the bloat set in but it still had the things I hated about 3.5 D&D. As a player I'd play in 3.5 D&D or Pathfinder 1e but never run them, but that said I'll steer clear of 2e Pathfinder as both a player & Ref. You are correct the Pathfinder community is vibrant and worthy of respect for their passion. |
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Post by mormonyoyoman on Aug 3, 2018 22:21:40 GMT -5
That intended audience would be Those With Too Much Spare Time and Those Who Buy It to Look at the Pictures. Then again, players don't need to know any rules and GMs mainly need to know how to fake it. I can still run Runequest 2 off the top of my head. On the other hand, the only way I'll run Pathfinder is with the Beginner's Box. I think you may be a little too tough on Pathfinder, if you were discovering it as a teen, it might be right up your alley. I would hope that a lot of them discover OD&D at some point, but Pathfinder is a vibrant community so I would not disparage that audience. No disparage intended. Was paraphrasing a Pathfinder player who made the (excellent) point that she didn't GM so she didn't have to know the rules, but she bought some of the books for the art. It was funny then and it's funny now. To GM PF by its rules - I still believe that is a 45 hours or more a week job. Independently wealthy people could GM it, or maybe Gordo from the Black Hands. Beginner's Box is much more playable, and - I think - more "real" feeling. |
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Post by Mighty Darci on Aug 4, 2018 18:17:09 GMT -5
Buys the book just for the pictures and that is not the primary reason for the book!   |
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