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Post by ripx187 on Jun 23, 2018 16:33:17 GMT -5
Mazes & Monsters, featuring the debut of Tom Hanks as Robby, was a large part of the Satanic Panic Propaganda machine. It was a made for TV movie released in the early 80's and is so horrible it is entertaining as hell! I hadn't watched it since it originally aired, and it scared the hell out of me! So much so that I just had to try playing. It scared my mother too, so she wasn't pleased when my uncle bought a copy of the rules and a module to run. My uncle hadn't seen the special, but my cousin did. A DANGEROUS GAME!!!! Actually, I think that we were both hooked on the D&D cartoon at the time which aired on Saturday mornings, back when Saturday mornings were the best time of the week. Anyway, we played it, got bored and went outside to play our regular kids LARP games which were our favourite. It never really dawned on anyone just how stupid this premise was. I mean, we played Medival Knights and Spacemen out in the woods and never once got taken over by our characters, why would D&D be any different? 700 Club said that it was a gateway to the Devil. It taught us all how to cast spells! Gary Gygax had laid out everything that we'd need to summon the devil, don't you know. In fact, kids actually practised the incantations at the table. To cast a spell, you had to say the magic words. What is even more of a gas is that 700 Club still preaches this! Anyway, if you have a subscription to Amazon Prime, you can watch this hilarious spin on the game through 80's propaganda for free. It is interesting because Tom Hanks is one of the greatest actors of our time, and we get to enjoy watching him do a great job, even at that age, with a horrible script.  HE'S TRYING TO KISS YOU! Go git em Robby! |
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Post by mormonyoyoman on Jun 23, 2018 17:40:05 GMT -5
Free - and worth every penny.
Tracy Hickman gave demonstrations of the game to concerned parents at this time (Don't remember if it was BADD or his local wards. Memory is the 2nd thing you lose at this age & I don't remember what the first thing is. But I digress.) and told of one hilarious moment when he demonstrated rolling the dice, said something like "Look. Nothing happened." The lady said naturally not, because she was shielded by the Holy Ghost. I don't think that's the Holy Ghost's job, nor does he or she use a Protection From Game Magic spell.
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Post by Q Man on Jun 24, 2018 13:09:22 GMT -5
Thanks for the info, I've never seen this and would like to.
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Post by Hexenritter Verlag on Jun 25, 2018 13:54:57 GMT -5
I think I watched that as a kid & thought it was stupid. There was a novel by John Coyne called Hobgoblin that had a similar theme but even though I owned it, I never finished it for some reason. I might see if I still have it or buy it used & give it another try.
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Post by El Borak on Jun 25, 2018 13:59:11 GMT -5
Never seen it, but now I might give it a view.
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Post by mormonyoyoman on Jun 25, 2018 14:43:24 GMT -5
I've never seen this and would like to. On purpose? |
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Post by Admin Pete on Jun 26, 2018 12:45:42 GMT -5
I think I watched that as a kid & thought it was stupid. There was a novel by John Coyne called Hobgoblin that had a similar theme but even though I owned it, I never finished it for some reason. I might see if I still have it or buy it used & give it another try. I've never watched it because it just sounded stupid to me and later when I read about it, I did not see a reason to go watch it. I never experienced any of the Satanic Panic and always thought it was exceeding silly and I was sorry for the all those who had to put up with it. |
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Post by Hexenritter Verlag on Jun 26, 2018 13:56:28 GMT -5
I think I watched that as a kid & thought it was stupid. There was a novel by John Coyne called Hobgoblin that had a similar theme but even though I owned it, I never finished it for some reason. I might see if I still have it or buy it used & give it another try. I've never watched it because it just sounded stupid to me and later when I read about it, I did not see a reason to go watch it. I never experienced any of the Satanic Panic and always thought it was exceeding silly and I was sorry for the all those who had to put up with it. I dealt with it a bit, my day was late to the game as he was more worried about me corrupting my younger brother, as I was a lost cause in his book. That said, my friend's dad often beat him & threw out his AD&D books, when he caught us playing. We'd go retrieve his books & stuff from the dumpster after he got busy and stashed them at my place until things cooled down. After he went to live with his mom & step-dad, there were no issues gaming. |
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Post by Admin Pete on Jun 26, 2018 14:18:44 GMT -5
I've never watched it because it just sounded stupid to me and later when I read about it, I did not see a reason to go watch it. I never experienced any of the Satanic Panic and always thought it was exceeding silly and I was sorry for the all those who had to put up with it. I dealt with it a bit, my day was late to the game as he was more worried about me corrupting my younger brother, as I was a lost cause in his book. That said, my friend's dad often beat him & threw out his AD&D books, when he caught us playing. We'd go retrieve his books & stuff from the dumpster after he got busy and stashed them at my place until things cooled down. After he went to live with his mom & step-dad, there were no issues gaming. Wow, beaten! My experience was so much different. Granted it was 1975, but I came home from college on a weekend, gathered up my two younger brothers (7 & 10 years younger) and I introduced them to D&D. Mom wondered over the to see what we were playing and then went back to the living room to tell Dad, that I was just hanging out with my kid brothers and they were having lots of fun and that is what all the noise was about. They went back to their books. We lived on a farm in rural (very rural) Ohio and my parents came from central ultra backwoods WV where I was born and they were very conservative, but who told us fairy tales and legends about monsters and spooky stuff and they thought D&D was great, because my brothers told them the story of everything we did in the game over and over until I came home at Christmas for winter break. My parents would have laughed at anyone who told them it was Satanic because they knew everything we did. My parents are the ones who introduced me to Bulfinch's Mythology and Beowulf and The Arabian Nights. |
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Post by Hexenritter Verlag on Jun 26, 2018 14:50:20 GMT -5
His father was a Born again Christian - I think his pastor pushed the anti-D&D/Fantasy thing. The but beating, was more that he was an angry control freak, who at the time was a single parent to a rebellious teen son. I heard he mellowed after he remarried. The dude was not shy when beating his kid, as I was often at the apartment when it occurred, no wonder my friend had anger issues until he joined the Military.
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Post by mormonyoyoman on Jun 26, 2018 15:16:56 GMT -5
It takes some folks a long time to realize that "rebellious teen" is a redundancy. Each generation's job is to shock the previous generation, and we children of the 1960s made it difficult for OUR children to shock us.
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Post by Admin Pete on Jun 26, 2018 16:36:56 GMT -5
His father was a Born again Christian - I think his pastor pushed the anti-D&D/Fantasy thing. The but beating, was more that he was an angry control freak, who at the time was a single parent to a rebellious teen son. I heard he mellowed after he remarried. The Man was not shy when beating his kid, as I was often at the apartment when it occurred, no wonder my friend had anger issues until he joined the Military. I think a lot of these things have nothing to do with religion itself, I think it has more to do with people being close-minded control freaks and those people use religion to justify their beliefs. Leaders of all types, both religious and non-religious tend to be close-minded control freaks and wrap themselves in things as their excuse. |
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Post by ripx187 on Jun 26, 2018 17:33:07 GMT -5
His father was a Born again Christian - I think his pastor pushed the anti-D&D/Fantasy thing. The but beating, was more that he was an angry control freak, who at the time was a single parent to a rebellious teen son. I heard he mellowed after he remarried. The Man was not shy when beating his kid, as I was often at the apartment when it occurred, no wonder my friend had anger issues until he joined the Military. I think a lot of these things have nothing to do with religion itself, I think it has more to do with people being close-minded control freaks and those people use religion to justify their beliefs. Leaders of all types, both religious and non-religious tend to be close-minded control freaks and wrap themselves in things as their excuse. I agree Admin Pete, but I would go a lot further. This was about control and the fear that a game of this nature scared the people that had the power. Through the game we can simulate government and religious power structures, and we do!. This act alone frees our minds and allows us to question authority regardless of our age. If a priest says something stupid to a child, the child will likely believe whatever garbage that he said because he trusted the priest, and his stupidity is probably just as backed up by the boy's parents. But D&D allows us to think outside of ourselves. If an in-game priest says something stupid, the child might take it with a grain of salt if not outright suspicion. Now, is this because people who are drawn to the game are intellectuals, or is this a hidden feature of the game? I do find it suspicious how the media and authority figures let up once the gaming system started being more commercialized and the trend went away from DIY to a consumer market which regulated itself. |
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Post by El Borak on Jun 26, 2018 18:33:38 GMT -5
Now, is this because people who are drawn to the game are intellectuals, or is this a hidden feature of the game? Given the current definition of an intellectual, I would have to say the people drawn to the original DIY version of the game are now to be considered anti-intellectuals. But I digress I think you could say that anyone who has any shred of critical thinking skills/value their own personal freedom are drawn to this hidden feature of the game which is only hidden to the people who lack the skills. I do find it suspicious how the media and authority figures let up once the gaming system started being more commercialized and the trend went away from DIY to a consumer market which regulated itself. That is a scary "coincidence" is it not. Be careful Winston. Quotes by George Carlin |
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Post by Hexenritter Verlag on Jun 26, 2018 18:51:45 GMT -5
His father was a Born again Christian - I think his pastor pushed the anti-D&D/Fantasy thing. The but beating, was more that he was an angry control freak, who at the time was a single parent to a rebellious teen son. I heard he mellowed after he remarried. The Man was not shy when beating his kid, as I was often at the apartment when it occurred, no wonder my friend had anger issues until he joined the Military. I think a lot of these things have nothing to do with religion itself, I think it has more to do with people being close-minded control freaks and those people use religion to justify their beliefs. Leaders of all types, both religious and non-religious tend to be close-minded control freaks and wrap themselves in things as their excuse. Very true, I only stated his religion as he used it as an excuse for his bad behavior & pastors have pushed their own secular politics & biases upon their congregations. I find it at odds with Yeshua's words to act in such a manner but there are people who twist faith to prove their positions or even enrich themselves which does the faith harm. |
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Post by ripx187 on Jun 26, 2018 20:55:44 GMT -5
No act of bigotry and violence can surpass the acts which we feel that God gave us permission to express upon our own. This hatred won't stop even after genocide. This is not what the masters taught, but this is all we are capable of.
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Post by Q Man on Jun 26, 2018 22:32:30 GMT -5
I've never seen this and would like to. On purpose? Only on Tuesdays! |
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Post by mormonyoyoman on Jun 26, 2018 22:39:00 GMT -5
In which case, the obverse would apply. |
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Post by Bartholmew Quarrels on Jun 28, 2018 8:14:43 GMT -5
Now, is this because people who are drawn to the game are intellectuals, or is this a hidden feature of the game? Given the current definition of an intellectual, I would have to say the people drawn to the original DIY version of the game are now to be considered anti-intellectuals. But I digress I think you could say that anyone who has any shred of critical thinking skills/value their own personal freedom are drawn to this hidden feature of the game which is only hidden to the people who lack the skills. I do find it suspicious how the media and authority figures let up once the gaming system started being more commercialized and the trend went away from DIY to a consumer market which regulated itself. That is a scary "coincidence" is it not. Be careful Winston. 1984 reference have an exalt. |
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Post by Bartholmew Quarrels on Jun 28, 2018 8:16:27 GMT -5
In which case, the obverse would apply. What is the other side of Tuesday, mormonyoyoman? |
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Post by mormonyoyoman on Jun 28, 2018 14:50:48 GMT -5
In which case, the obverse would apply. What is the other side of Tuesday, mormonyoyoman? Yadseut. |
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Post by Bartholmew Quarrels on Jun 28, 2018 15:33:51 GMT -5
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Post by Q Man on Jul 20, 2018 9:20:02 GMT -5
If you spend much time reading these days, you can see that the Satanic Panic Propaganda machine is still on full attack mode against old school gaming. It just goes under a half dozen different names these days. What is really funny in a sick sort of way is that the Moral Panic Police and the Pro Child Abuse League are now allies.
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Post by True Black Raven on Jul 21, 2018 23:11:59 GMT -5
If you spend much time reading these days, you can see that the Satanic Panic Propaganda machine is still on full attack mode against old school gaming. It just goes under a half dozen different names these days. What is really funny in a sick sort of way is that the Moral Panic Police and the Pro Child Abuse League are now allies. Sad but true. Creativity and originality is always a target. I always figured it was jealousy more than anything else. |
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Post by Q Man on Jul 25, 2018 18:35:35 GMT -5
If you spend much time reading these days, you can see that the Satanic Panic Propaganda machine is still on full attack mode against old school gaming. It just goes under a half dozen different names these days. What is really funny in a sick sort of way is that the Moral Panic Police and the Pro Child Abuse League are now allies. Sad but true. Creativity and originality is always a target. I always figured it was jealousy more than anything else. At least jealousy as a motivation would make sense. |
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