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Post by Hexenritter Verlag on Jun 3, 2018 14:50:59 GMT -5
I was wondering (if only for hoots & giggles) if the Murkhill members would like to work on a "What If?" based project together? The idea would be to take the Great Kingdom map & fuse Blackmoor into it, then develop a basic setting on those assumptions. As part of the project someone would need to redraw the Great Kingdom map to better incorporate Blackmoor into it or simply use Grodog's colored version attached below. Any input from robkuntz & @gronanofsimmerya on what may have been on the Great Kingdom maps beyond what is listed and any recollections on those said items would be greatly appreciated. The resources to be used for this potential project would be limited to a few maps of historic note and Arneson's First Fantasy Campaign supplement. Note: This is not an attempt to create a historically accurate facsimile but only - A 'What if the Great Kingdom & FFC Blackmoor existed as one organic setting from the start?" If enough interest is there maybe a few members could then choose to run their own mini PbP camapaigns using the finished project but add onto it as they desire & see how things change under those Refs guidance. Again this is only a thing I came up with as a whim and I am only curious what other members think of the idea.    |
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Post by robkuntz on Jun 3, 2018 15:49:37 GMT -5
The map was redone in greater detail by Gary (same time period as a substitute for Arneson's in the Domesday Book, but our editor then, Chris Schleicher, misplaced it and printed Arneson's instead); and it was. later, the basis for original campaign (about late 1974 as we had been using the OS Map until then, and Gary re-pulled the map from his file) and then, by extension, was the prototype for the WoG folio map by Darlene. I used to have a copy of the former but it was lost, but not before I used it many times in the campaign. Place names on that map are also referenced in some matter on my El Raja Key archive DVD. So these are indeed precursors to that map which has more information and is greatly expanded (by at least two-fold). To my knowledge Gary's original has not been found and may have been lost in that same file cabinet raid that I mentioned in a previous e-mail. The search continues.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2018 15:56:28 GMT -5
I also had a copy of Gary's GK map with both Greyhawk and Blackmoor added by Gary (his printing is distinctive.) I fear it may be lost also.
I also have/had a copy of said/same map with the Duchy of Lessnard drawn in by Gary.
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Post by Hexenritter Verlag on Jun 3, 2018 17:00:40 GMT -5
The map was redone in greater detail by Gary (same time period as a substitute for Arneson's in the Domesday Book, but our editor then, Chris Schleicher, misplaced it and printed Arneson's instead); and it was. later, the basis for original campaign (about late 1974 as we had been using the OS Map until then, and Gary re-pulled the map from his file) and then, by extension, was the prototype for the WoG folio map by Darlene. I used to have a copy of the former but it was lost, but not before I used it many times in the campaign. Place names on that map are also referenced in some matter on my El Raja Key archive DVD. So these are indeed precursors to that map which has more information and is greatly expanded (by at least two-fold). To my knowledge Gary's original has not been found and may have been lost in that same file cabinet raid that I mentioned in a previous e-mail. The search continues. Now I just have to save up my ducats & buy your DVD robkuntz, as it seems to have a wealth of info not just on your world but on early Greyhawk. |
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Post by Hexenritter Verlag on Jun 3, 2018 17:03:29 GMT -5
I also had a copy of Gary's GK map with both Greyhawk and Blackmoor added by Gary (his printing is distinctive.) I fear it may be lost also. I also have/had a copy of said/same map with the Duchy of Lessnard drawn in by Gary. Oh I'd love to see that Duchy of Lessnard if you can find & scan it @gronanofsimmerya. |
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Post by robkuntz on Jun 3, 2018 17:32:14 GMT -5
The map was redone in greater detail by Gary (same time period as a substitute for Arneson's in the Domesday Book, but our editor then, Chris Schleicher, misplaced it and printed Arneson's instead); and it was. later, the basis for original campaign (about late 1974 as we had been using the OS Map until then, and Gary re-pulled the map from his file) and then, by extension, was the prototype for the WoG folio map by Darlene. I used to have a copy of the former but it was lost, but not before I used it many times in the campaign. Place names on that map are also referenced in some matter on my El Raja Key archive DVD. So these are indeed precursors to that map which has more information and is greatly expanded (by at least two-fold). To my knowledge Gary's original has not been found and may have been lost in that same file cabinet raid that I mentioned in a previous e-mail. The search continues. Now I just have to save up my ducats & buy your DVD robkuntz , as it seems to have a wealth of info not just on your world but on early Greyhawk. Well yeah. It helped being the co-DM of that campaign world....  |
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Post by mao on Jun 5, 2018 12:32:41 GMT -5
I am always willing to help on projects like you mention
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Post by Hexenritter Verlag on Jun 5, 2018 14:39:33 GMT -5
I am always willing to help on projects like you mention Sweet, now lets see if we can get a few more together & see if we can make this work. I might give the map bit a try, see what I can come up with; but I'll wait to start that once we have a few more willing helpers. |
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Post by mao on Jun 5, 2018 14:47:48 GMT -5
I am always willing to help on projects like you mention Sweet, now lets see if we can get a few more together & see if we can make this work. I might give the map bit a try, see what I can come up with; but I'll wait to start that once we have a few more willing helpers. Im in. |
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Post by True Black Raven on Jun 5, 2018 17:13:37 GMT -5
Now I just have to save up my ducats & buy your DVD robkuntz , as it seems to have a wealth of info not just on your world but on early Greyhawk. Well yeah. It helped being the co-DM of that campaign world.... Imagine that! |
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Post by Hexenritter Verlag on Jun 6, 2018 11:43:13 GMT -5
Here are two other maps the first is David Megarry's Great Kingdom Map & the other is an annotated version of the original using info from it. These maps will also be used as core reference for this project as they give more detail on the various Realms. I'll use my light box to trace the basic shapes onto graph paper, scan the image, rescan & blow up the image in four roughly equal sections. Then I'll print them out to use as reference for adding elements from Dave Arneson's Greyhawk Map as I draw them. I'll start with the coastline, leaving out the geographical features as I can add them in later based upon the core maps. If possible I'll create a version of the finished map that includes both the geographic details and political divisions marked on it. One part of Dave Arneson's map I'll be ignoring is the desert region - it makes no sense, especially near a water soaked region but I may have mentioned that before.   If someone who has the FFC can mine it for any details that could be useful for inclusion on a map? The Arneson map mentions the Black Hills, Duchy of Ten, the Egg of Coot, the Elf forest, the Great Ocean (will be changed to Great Bay) & where the Great Kingdom is located. If you can do an annotated version of Dave's Blackmoor map or if that isn't possible, post where on the map you think these places should be located. |
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Post by mao on Jun 6, 2018 11:46:33 GMT -5
I have none of the ref books or for that matter map skills, I'll make up for those w other skills |
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Post by Hexenritter Verlag on Jun 6, 2018 12:03:57 GMT -5
I have none of the ref books or for that matter map skills, I'll make up for those w other skills Cool, I have a copy of FFC but I won't read through the PDF in depth again until I need to, so hopefully other's might jump in to assist on the project and lend a hand on that before I can get to it. Here is a link to my DeviantArt Map gallery. It includes examples of some of my maps - but I have several others, including my old ‘World of Skârn’ maps, of which I'll be redrawing at some point. |
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Post by mao on Jun 6, 2018 14:31:46 GMT -5
I have none of the ref books or for that matter map skills, I'll make up for those w other skills Cool, I have a copy of FFC but I won't read through the PDF in depth again until I need to, so hopefully other's might jump in to assist on the project and lend a hand on that before I can get to it. Here is a link to my DeviantArt Map gallery. It includes examples of some of my maps - but I have several others, including my old ‘World of Skârn’ maps, of which I'll be redrawing at some point. iI think we would be better off if somebody was in charge raher than do things by the group (I dont want the job) |
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Post by Hexenritter Verlag on Jun 6, 2018 15:00:38 GMT -5
Cool, I have a copy of FFC but I won't read through the PDF in depth again until I need to, so hopefully other's might jump in to assist on the project and lend a hand on that before I can get to it. Here is a link to my DeviantArt Map gallery. It includes examples of some of my maps - but I have several others, including my old ‘World of Skârn’ maps, of which I'll be redrawing at some point. iI think we would be better off if somebody was in charge raher than do things by the group (I dont want the job) Heh, I agree, but we do need at least a few more helpers. I figured since I put forth the idea I'd take the lead, but it is hard to delegate tasks to other people when their are only two of us so far and you do not have access to FFC & you do not want to be project lead. BTW mao, would you be willing to run a PbP based in the setting once we are done? I'll run one, tweaked how I'd like to run it. But we'd have to find members willing to play in them. |
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Post by mao on Jun 6, 2018 15:09:46 GMT -5
iI think we would be better off if somebody was in charge raher than do things by the group (I dont want the job) Heh, I agree, but we do need at least a few more helpers. I figured since I put forth the idea I'd take the lead, but it is hard to delegate tasks to other people when their are only two of us so far and you do not have access to FFC & you do not want to be project lead. BTW mao , would you be willing to run a PbP based in the setting once we are done? I'll run one, tweaked how I'd like to run it. But we'd have to find members willing to play in them. I actually don't think it's too early fpr you to take lead(which I am fine with) as to doing a PBP, I'm not sure, would prob it rather be a short duration kinda thing, but even that I am unsure of. My personal life is supremely crazy ,all the time, so If I could do like maybe a two month game, I might be persuaded. |
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Post by Hexenritter Verlag on Jun 6, 2018 16:39:11 GMT -5
Heh, I agree, but we do need at least a few more helpers. I figured since I put forth the idea I'd take the lead, but it is hard to delegate tasks to other people when their are only two of us so far and you do not have access to FFC & you do not want to be project lead. BTW mao , would you be willing to run a PbP based in the setting once we are done? I'll run one, tweaked how I'd like to run it. But we'd have to find members willing to play in them. I actually don't think it's too early fpr you to take lead(which I am fine with) as to doing a PBP, I'm not sure, would prob it rather be a short duration kinda thing, but even that I am unsure of. My personal life is supremely crazy ,all the time, so If I could do like maybe a two month game, I might be persuaded. I understand mao, I think I accidentally deleted the "Mini-" part of that post - it was to say, "Mao, would you be willing to run a mini-pbp". It was more to see what multiple Refs would do with the same setting if they ran it how they would a their own table. If no one is able to run pbp's in this project I might shift things to having board members developing the numbered Realms that make up the Great Kingdom, each one member participating would pick one of the numbered sub-realms from the David Megarry to develop. |
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Post by mao on Jun 6, 2018 18:03:48 GMT -5
I actually don't think it's too early fpr you to take lead(which I am fine with) as to doing a PBP, I'm not sure, would prob it rather be a short duration kinda thing, but even that I am unsure of. My personal life is supremely crazy ,all the time, so If I could do like maybe a two month game, I might be persuaded. I understand mao , I think I accidentally deleted the "Mini-" part of that post - it was to say, "Mao, would you be willing to run a mini-pbp". It was more to see what multiple Refs would do with the same setting if they ran it how they would a their own table. If no one is able to run pbp's in this project I might shift things to having board members developing the numbered Realms that make up the Great Kingdom, each one member participating would pick one of the numbered sub-realms from the David Megarry to develop. I'm EZ. However you want to do this is fine by me |
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