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Post by True Black Raven on Mar 12, 2018 9:15:54 GMT -5
Do you have half-nude barbarians, amazons or other half-nude types in your campaign? Why or why not? Do you have a problem with this imagery? Why or why not?
I have these types IMC and no I do not have a problem with this imagery. To me swords and sorcery is ALL about half or almost fully naked barbarians and amazons. I am not ashamed of this and see nothing wrong with it. I like the image of the barbarian and the amazon in mythology and sword and sorcery tales and in Frazetta art. I also am a big fan of Robert E Howard and Edgar Rice Burroughs.
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Post by makofan on Mar 12, 2018 10:30:04 GMT -5
In my Mazes & Minotaurs campaign, I have both. Also, there is a schism in my amazon nation between the new faction (full armor, spear and shield) and the traditional faction (half-nude, bow and arrow). Lots of fun. One of my player characters is a new faction amazon that likes to drop pithy epithets about the patriarchal dominated world.
In my Barbarians of Lemuria campaign, I also had both.
Sometimes I don't. I do whatever fits my game. Who knows what people will encounter in the Traveller universe?
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Post by captaincrumbcake on Mar 12, 2018 10:40:39 GMT -5
If I had an active campaign, I wouldn't have a problem having fully nude barbarians and amazons.
Its both a cultural and geographical thing. It can have a surprising effect on one's enemies--especially those having never seen such a sight, and definitely has its advantages in sweltering regions and zones where the wearing of heavy armor would certainly (and should!) penalize the wearer. For quickness and stealth wearing nothing definitely has the upper hand, and in a game where accumulated hit points represent not how much actual damage one sustains (D&D has never seriously given thought to injuries over HP loss) but how much one avoids, I do not have a problem with characters running about with little to no armor.
I will conclude with the proposition that Gygax's Dexterity bonus to fighters as provided in the GH supplement, is a good springboard of the concept of rewarding characters with a high dexterity; I would go further, and double the effect for those choosing to not wear any armor at all. That's just me, though.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2018 11:34:43 GMT -5
My campaigns could potentially have anything in them. I had ERB's Barsoom in mine, with the appropriate levels of undress extant.
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Post by mormonyoyoman on Mar 12, 2018 14:42:25 GMT -5
Depends on the settings. Lots of bugs, toxic plants, microbes, and people with pointy sharp things to annoy the barefoot and unarmored. Had a loincloth character who spent most of his time scratching as I recall.
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Post by docsammy on Mar 12, 2018 14:49:32 GMT -5
Doesn't bother me. If my players want their characters to run around half-naked or even fully naked, I'll allow it.
But Armor does have its benefits....
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Post by robkuntz on Mar 12, 2018 15:10:01 GMT -5
I do not replicate S&S in my world. I replicate Fantasy. Thus the idea of whether or not I maintain such imagery or even find it important for the purpose of the conceptual world has no real traction. My world is not a show room of what I feel but of what those who are immersed in it experience, which is the fantastic.
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Post by Hexenritter Verlag on Mar 12, 2018 21:29:02 GMT -5
I have zero issue with it & in my revised setting there will be cultures where such things are common.If I was doing a Sword & Sorcery, Sword & Sandel or Sword & Planet setting it'll be a feature for sure.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2018 22:56:31 GMT -5
No, but I periodically flip my junk out and slap my players with it.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2018 23:16:20 GMT -5
No, but I periodically flip my junk out and slap my players with it. YIKES!  |
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Post by robkuntz on Mar 13, 2018 1:33:31 GMT -5
No, but I periodically flip my junk out and slap my players with it. YIKES! Now you know part of the reason why he calls himself GRONAN. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2018 1:43:27 GMT -5
YIKES! Now you know part of the reason why he calls himself GRONAN. I could have emulated Gary and said I found the whole topic "fatuous and jejune," but decided I'd rather put my own .... distinctive, shall we say... manner of self-expression to work. |
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Post by robkuntz on Mar 13, 2018 3:42:02 GMT -5
Now you know part of the reason why he calls himself GRONAN. I could have emulated Gary and said I found the whole topic "fatuous and jejune," but decided I'd rather put my own .... distinctive, shall we say... manner of self-expression to work. Yes Gary could get rather purplish in his written words. He was more direct in verbal comms. I would not argue from any vantage that what you said is not distinctly your own! LOL! |
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Post by True Black Raven on Mar 13, 2018 9:43:45 GMT -5
I do not replicate S&S in my world. I replicate Fantasy. Thus the idea of whether or not I maintain such imagery or even find it important for the purpose of the conceptual world has no real traction. My world is not a show room of what I feel but of what those who are immersed in it experience, which is the fantastic. Isn't S&S a subset of Fantasy? One out of many such subsets? When you say "I replicate Fantasy" what does that mean exactly? Is your world gonzo in that it can have elements from anything/everything and that your brush is very broad, or do you mean by Fantasy that it is something more well-defined in the way that you implement it with specific elements that you have chosen? Do you not describe how various peoples in your world look? Or do you leave in some way the describing of the imagery to your players? I don't quite follow what you mean by "what those who are immersed in it experience, which is the fantastic." |
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Post by True Black Raven on Mar 13, 2018 9:47:20 GMT -5
No, but I periodically flip my junk out and slap my players with it. Hi @gronanofsimmerya, you are one of those people who are the same everywhere you go, consistent you are and I have always liked that about you. Just to let you know, if I were in your game and you slapped me with your junk, I would slap you back with my large calloused right hand.  |
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Post by True Black Raven on Mar 13, 2018 9:48:45 GMT -5
In my Mazes & Minotaurs campaign, I have both. Also, there is a schism in my amazon nation between the new faction (full armor, spear and shield) and the traditional faction (half-nude, bow and arrow). Lots of fun. One of my player characters is a new faction amazon that likes to drop pithy epithets about the patriarchal dominated world. In my Barbarians of Lemuria campaign, I also had both. Sometimes I don't. I do whatever fits my game. Who knows what people will encounter in the Traveller universe? Sometime, I hope that you post about both of these campaigns and what you think of the rule sets and any house rules you find useful. |
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Post by True Black Raven on Mar 13, 2018 9:57:16 GMT -5
I found the whole topic "fatuous and jejune," I did not find it so, because I wanted to know if others here had been intimidated into censoring their campaigns because of accusatory "Labels" and rather than using terms which would violate the rules, I asked the question in a more round about way. I got the answer and I found it to be useful information. |
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Post by makofan on Mar 13, 2018 9:57:17 GMT -5
I used the free BoL rules. I found I really had to work hard to bring the game to life. The game petered out halfway during the first adventure, before they discovered the lost jungle city ruled by a white-skinned queen. I never fell in love with it enough to go back to it
M&M I am finding rather dry. I think because I am running it to much like D&D, and not enough like whatever it is trying to be. We are just regrouping, going form six players to three. I think I will need to ask them point blank what we should do.
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Post by True Black Raven on Mar 13, 2018 10:11:18 GMT -5
I used the free BoL rules. I found I really had to work hard to bring the game to life. The game petered out halfway during the first adventure, before they discovered the lost jungle city ruled by a white-skinned queen. I never fell in love with it enough to go back to it M&M I am finding rather dry. I think because I am running it to much like D&D, and not enough like whatever it is trying to be. We are just regrouping, going form six players to three. I think I will need to ask them point blank what we should do. Is BoL supposed to be in the vein of the lost city of Opar from Tarzan? I thought M&M was trying to be a re-imagined D&D based on classical Greek and Roman times, which IMO means that you would run it to feel like the Sword and Sandal movies with a good dose of good old Ray Harryhausen. For me if I were to try it, I would have to go back and watch a bunch of movies from the genre and re-read Bullfinches mythology. |
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Post by sixdemonbag on Mar 13, 2018 11:20:27 GMT -5
I could have emulated Gary and said I found the whole topic "fatuous and jejune," but decided I'd rather put my own .... distinctive, shall we say... manner of self-expression to work. Yes Gary could get rather purplish in his written words. He was more direct in verbal comms. I would not argue from any vantage that what you said is not distinctly your own! LOL! All I have to say is this: I swear to all the Gods of Chaos, if Gronan's remark is a clue as to the actual origin of the Purplish Purple Worm, I'm never going to look at D&D the same again... |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2018 11:41:42 GMT -5
I found the whole topic "fatuous and jejune," I did not find it so, because I wanted to know if others here had been intimidated into censoring their campaigns because of accusatory "Labels" and rather than using terms which would violate the rules, I asked the question in a more round about way. I got the answer and I found it to be useful information. Aaaaaaaaah, I see! THAT is a different question indeed, and a worthy one. Most of my campaigns take place in an analog of northern Europe. My players also seem very incurious about clothing. In hotter climes, if anybody asked, I'd say "Like most people who live in hot climates, they wear little or nothing." I would neither make a big deal out of it -- "tee hee boobies" -- nor deny the fact that people in hot climates go naked. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2018 11:43:42 GMT -5
Yes Gary could get rather purplish in his written words. He was more direct in verbal comms. I would not argue from any vantage that what you said is not distinctly your own! LOL! All I have to say is this: I swear to all the Gods of Chaos, if Gronan's remark is a clue as to the actual origin of the Purplish Purple Worm, I'm never going to look at D&D the same again... Is that the same as the Purple Helmeted Warrior of Love? Also, Gary had WAY too much fun with the Rod of Lordly Might. "Press the hidden latch, and the Rod of Lordly Might extends to its full length." Yes, I bet it does! |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2018 11:44:58 GMT -5
No, but I periodically flip my junk out and slap my players with it. Hi @gronanofsimmerya , you are one of those people who are the same everywhere you go, consistent you are and I have always liked that about you. Just to let you know, if I were in your game and you slapped me with your junk, I would slap you back with my large calloused right hand. Yes, I am indeed the same. Is your hand calloused from all the junk-slapping you do? |
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Post by True Black Raven on Mar 13, 2018 12:02:35 GMT -5
Hi @gronanofsimmerya , you are one of those people who are the same everywhere you go, consistent you are and I have always liked that about you. Just to let you know, if I were in your game and you slapped me with your junk, I would slap you back with my large calloused right hand. Yes, I am indeed the same. Is your hand calloused from all the junk-slapping you do? No, my hands are calloused from a lifetime of splitting wood with an axe to burn for heat. I could use the axe if your prefer, come to think of it and not knowing how often you bath, I should probably just use the axe to begin with.  |
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Post by sixdemonbag on Mar 13, 2018 12:44:08 GMT -5
All I have to say is this: I swear to all the Gods of Chaos, if Gronan's remark is a clue as to the actual origin of the Purplish Purple Worm, I'm never going to look at D&D the same again... Is that the same as the Purple Helmeted Warrior of Love? I'm guessing they are of a kind, lol. |
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Post by robkuntz on Mar 13, 2018 18:58:23 GMT -5
No, but I periodically flip my junk out and slap my players with it. Hi @gronanofsimmerya , you are one of those people who are the same everywhere you go, consistent you are and I have always liked that about you. Just to let you know, if I were in your game and you slapped me with your junk, I would slap you back with my large calloused right hand. Gonzo has no meaning to me in relation to Fantasy. I don't even know what that might mean when applied to the word Fantasy, it sounds more like a style or proclivity related to the deployment of the game's elements and not Fantasy itself. Fantasy is enchantment as it is also an act of imagining and creating (by extension). Gary's FORWARD is notable: "These rules are strictly Fantasy". Note, that's the noun, not a noun phrase: like "S&S Fantasy," even though the base he himself emphasized in play (sometimes but not always) was much like that, but it needn't have been, as is pointed out far and wide with his quotes in D&D and elsewhere. So determine what Fantasy is for you. Is it a genre? Well, OK. But genres are not what describes the deployment of Fantasy. They are only specific categories of fantasy types and mostly used to denote Fantasy Fiction categories for book publishers and clearing houses, and again, "fantasy fiction" is a NOUN PHRASE and not the proper noun, Fantasy, as Gary is noted for describing the game experience as. Two wildly different birds. So there is a richer context here than I have time to fully describe, and which I do describe in many chapters in a book I''m writing. What is Fantasy within the context of an RPG and how is it wielded (summoned/sustained) as this is done in other mediums (such as fiction, movies, poetry, etc). That leads to immersion and the act of immersing players in the fantastic during the play; and this is the paramount reason why I emphasize immersive play in my world; and as such it matters not what it is, or how that "it" is dressed out, or whether there is (or is not) an assumption that if it appears to be something akin to Conan-like that it is Fantasy, for it is not, as Conan is only an image (and how many times removed from the Howard's ideal concept of his fictional hero, as well??); and so the image, to me, is not the congruent part of Fantasy, only one of many tools to achieve the immersion. Think of a tank: it is not a representation of war; it's just a thing until given actualization and purpose within the greater scheme of things which, in games, simulate, to greater or lesser extents, war. Now think of a dragon miniature. Is that Fantasy? Nope. It's a figure (or image) of a dragon which we may or may not effectively use to summon and sustain Fantasy when deployed to do so. In sum, the image I use to summon and sustain immersion in the fantastic is of no consequence and thus, as I noted above, is a moot area. Also be aware, at least for my POV, that in "FRPG," that the word "Fantasy" is in the prime position... |
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Post by True Black Raven on Mar 13, 2018 19:19:15 GMT -5
I do not replicate S&S in my world. I replicate Fantasy. Thus the idea of whether or not I maintain such imagery or even find it important for the purpose of the conceptual world has no real traction. My world is not a show room of what I feel but of what those who are immersed in it experience, which is the fantastic. Isn't S&S a subset of Fantasy? One out of many such subsets? When you say "I replicate Fantasy" what does that mean exactly? Is your world gonzo in that it can have elements from anything/everything and that your brush is very broad, or do you mean by Fantasy that it is something more well-defined in the way that you implement it with specific elements that you have chosen? Do you not describe how various peoples in your world look? Or do you leave in some way the describing of the imagery to your players? I don't quite follow what you mean by "what those who are immersed in it experience, which is the fantastic." Gonzo has no meaning to me in relation to Fantasy. I don't even know what that might mean when applied to the word Fantasy, it sounds more like a style or proclivity related to the deployment of the game's elements and not Fantasy itself. Fantasy is enchantment as it is also an act of imagining and creating (by extension). Gary's FORWARD is notable: "These rules are strictly Fantasy". Note, that's the noun, not a noun phrase: like "S&S Fantasy," even though the base he himself emphasized in play (sometimes but not always) was much like that, but it needn't have been, as is pointed out far and wide with his quotes in D&D and elsewhere. So determine what Fantasy is for you. Is it a genre? Well, OK. But genres are not what describes the deployment of Fantasy. They are only specific categories of fantasy types and mostly used to denote Fantasy Fiction categories for book publishers and clearing houses, and again, "fantasy fiction" is a NOUN PHRASE and not the proper noun, Fantasy, as Gary is noted for describing the game experience as. Two wildly different birds. So there is a richer context here than I have time to fully describe, and which I do describe in many chapters in a book I''m writing. What is Fantasy within the context of an RPG and how is it wielded (summoned/sustained) as this is done in other mediums (such as fiction, movies, poetry, etc). That leads to immersion and the act of immersing players in the fantastic during the play; and this is the paramount reason why I emphasize immersive play in my world; and as such it matters not what it is, or how that "it" is dressed out, or whether there is (or is not) an assumption that if it appears to be something akin to Conan-like that it is Fantasy, for it is not, as Conan is only an image (and how many times removed from the Howard's ideal concept of his fictional hero, as well??); and so the image, to me, is not the congruent part of Fantasy, only one of many tools to achieve the immersion. Think of a tank: it is not a representation of war; it's just a thing until given actualization and purpose within the greater scheme of things which, in games, simulate, to greater or lesser extents, war. Now think of a dragon miniature. Is that Fantasy? Nope. It's a figure (or image) of a dragon which we may or may not effectively use to summon and sustain Fantasy when deployed to do so. In sum, the image I use to summon and sustain immersion in the fantastic is of no consequence and thus, as I noted above, is a moot area. Also be aware, at least for my POV, that in "FRPG," that the word "Fantasy" is in the prime position... I understand the last sentence, the rest of it I am working on. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2018 17:28:38 GMT -5
I'm a little unsure what relation it has to me slapping people with my junk...
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Post by True Black Raven on Mar 16, 2018 19:40:34 GMT -5
I'm a little unsure what relation it has to me slapping people with my junk... I fixed his quote when I replied, he just hit the wrong quote button which is very easy to do. |
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Post by mormonyoyoman on Mar 16, 2018 20:15:44 GMT -5
I'm a little unsure what relation it has to me slapping people with my junk... And I don’t want to know. |
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