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Post by cadriel on Jul 29, 2017 9:06:29 GMT -5
Balderdash. Artists who start new schools, whether literature, sculpture, paint, et al, very rarely sit down and say "I am going to establish a new school". Mostly, they try something different, other people like it and start to attempt similar things, and sometime later a "school" is described, usually NOT by the originator. This is the same thing. You're the one who goes around saying "We made up some $hit we thought would be fun." That's what I'm trying to emphasize here: RPGs were created by a 23 year old gamer who had an idea when he was sitting around one weekend. People talk about it like Arneson was acting out a grand design rather than figuring everything out by the seat of his pants.
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Post by robkuntz on Jul 29, 2017 9:15:18 GMT -5
Balderdash. Artists who start new schools, whether literature, sculpture, paint, et al, very rarely sit down and say "I am going to establish a new school". Mostly, they try something different, other people like it and start to attempt similar things, and sometime later a "school" is described, usually NOT by the originator. This is the same thing. You're the one who goes around saying "We made up some $hit we thought would be fun." That's what I'm trying to emphasize here: RPGs were created by a 23 year old gamer who had an idea when he was sitting around one weekend. People talk about it like Arneson was acting out a grand design rather than figuring everything out by the seat of his pants. You misinterpret what design really is. You have an idea then you begin in one of the cases to act on that idea and design processes and attitudes emerge, which are then acted upon, in turn, through adaptation, experimentation and so forth, until other facets emerge, some, if not many from Arneson's initial stance, were unforeseen but thereafter recognizable within a growing, grander scope as it was then manifesting. This is how many designs work. In fact Arneson was still iterating his system when he met with us in 1972. But he had already achieved the architecture prior to that.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2017 12:47:56 GMT -5
Balderdash. Artists who start new schools, whether literature, sculpture, paint, et al, very rarely sit down and say "I am going to establish a new school". Mostly, they try something different, other people like it and start to attempt similar things, and sometime later a "school" is described, usually NOT by the originator. This is the same thing. You're the one who goes around saying "We made up some $hit we thought would be fun." That's what I'm trying to emphasize here: RPGs were created by a 23 year old gamer who had an idea when he was sitting around one weekend. People talk about it like Arneson was acting out a grand design rather than figuring everything out by the seat of his pants. Obviously, you didn't understand a single word of what I said.
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Post by Mighty Darci on Aug 1, 2017 7:53:27 GMT -5
You talk about it like Dave was Hephaestus in the forge of creation when by his own account he was a 23 year old who had an idea for a game while he was "reading CONAN novels and watching old monster movies while munching on popcorn". I just find that contrast ... well, it's something. Must've been some good popcorn. Balderdash.
Artists who start new schools, whether literature, sculpture, paint, et al, very rarely sit down and say "I am going to establish a new school". Mostly, they try something different, other people like it and start to attempt similar things, and sometime later a "school" is described, usually NOT by the originator.
This is the same thing.Spot on! Best comment you've ever made!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2017 10:04:25 GMT -5
* bows *
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