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Post by mao on Jun 28, 2017 6:04:50 GMT -5
Ok I really wish I could give credit to the guy that came up with this idea. It was on EN World. I lost my account and "bookmarks" on the site when my email got hacked. I know the thread wasn't very popular and only the OP and I were really interested in the idea.
The idea is that you have action based encounters that are defeated by skill checks NOT hack and spell. I've used these with a great deal of success but they are very hard to come up with. some examples.
A library where the books come alive like a swarm and attack. The players use spellcraft to sever the connection to their mystical energies and athletics to wear the books out.
Magnetic boulders where they are defeated in a similar way
a huge number of sage/cultists that are defeated by religion and the above(I set this in a giant cave complex where the religion checks resulted in suicide)
How much you make your skill checks by = the "hp" damage to the encounter
OSR can do this by substituting ability checks
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Post by mao on Jan 13, 2018 16:13:45 GMT -5
Wanted to draw some more love for this, It really is an innovated idea. Wish I had the bookmark to give the creator credit.
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Post by Mighty Darci on Feb 10, 2018 9:44:22 GMT -5
The idea is that you have action based encounters that are defeated by skill checks NOT hack and spell. I've used these with a great deal of success but they are very hard to come up with some examples. A library where the books come alive like a swarm and attack. The players use spellcraft to sever the connection to their mystical energies and athletics to wear the books out. I like this example, You said with a great deal of success, can you detail one of those out for us? Do you remember anything at all about where on ENWorld it was? |
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Post by mao on Feb 10, 2018 11:22:01 GMT -5
The idea is that you have action based encounters that are defeated by skill checks NOT hack and spell. I've used these with a great deal of success but they are very hard to come up with some examples. A library where the books come alive like a swarm and attack. The players use spellcraft to sever the connection to their mystical energies and athletics to wear the books out. I like this example, You said with a great deal of success, can you detail one of those out for us? Do you remember anything at all about where on ENWorld it was? My fav was magnetic boulders that you jumped out of the way and make them collide.(DX saves, d20 roll less than and how much you make it by is Hit point damage). Sorry I dont know where on EN it was, plus it was a long time ago I lost the bookmark. |
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Post by The Perilous Dreamer on Feb 22, 2021 10:41:49 GMT -5
I found this thread Non-Combat Encounters & Skill Challenges using a Google Search and this is from the excel sheet download But I did not find a mention of magnetic boulders. So I am not sure this is the thread, but similar. |
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Post by The Perilous Dreamer on Feb 22, 2021 10:45:35 GMT -5
What name did you use on ENWorld?
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Post by The Bloody Nine on Feb 22, 2021 23:11:16 GMT -5
I am not sure that I understand this, even with the examples. It seems to me that you can do all the non-combat stuff without having skills. What am I missing?
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Post by hengest on Feb 24, 2021 18:01:31 GMT -5
I like the flavor of the examples but don't know enough about skills to come up with more. Am bookmarking.
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Post by The Perilous Dreamer on Feb 24, 2021 18:59:21 GMT -5
I am not sure that I understand this, even with the examples. It seems to me that you can do all the non-combat stuff without having skills. What am I missing? I'm with you! |
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Post by The Perilous Dreamer on Feb 24, 2021 18:59:49 GMT -5
I like the flavor of the examples but don't know enough about skills to come up with more. Am bookmarking. Yeah, I will need walked through this. |
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Post by mao on Mar 5, 2021 8:51:05 GMT -5
I like the flavor of the examples but don't know enough about skills to come up with more. Am bookmarking. Yeah, I will need walked through this. will do |
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Post by The Bloody Nine on Jun 3, 2021 0:14:07 GMT -5
I still have not found any magnetic boulders. Google can't find it.
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Post by The Semi-Retired Gamer on May 13, 2022 8:41:23 GMT -5
I think I get what you're going for. Basically, it's the 4E Skill Challenge system but instead of skills you want to use ability checks to overcome the challenge, right?
I think a cool way to do this would be to attach a timer to it. Use a small hourglass from a board game or just set a timer for 20 seconds, for example. That's how long the player has to roll a success. They you could also use difficulty levels for the challenge. We'll just say easy, medium, and hard for this example. An easy challenge would require rolling 1 success in 20 seconds, while medium would require 2 successes, and hard would require 3 successes. You could even have multiple characters working on some challenges. For example, a really heavy gate could be coming down but to hold it open would require more than the strength of one character. You could have two characters rolling against strength to maintain holding the gate open. Just a few quick thoughts but I think the idea is clear. [all numbers and times in the above example are only used for illustrative purposes.]
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Post by hengest on May 13, 2022 17:26:58 GMT -5
I think I get what you're going for. Basically, it's the 4E Skill Challenge system but instead of skills you want to use ability checks to overcome the challenge, right? I think a cool way to do this would be to attach a timer to it. Use a small hourglass from a board game or just set a timer for 20 seconds, for example. That's how long the player has to roll a success. They you could also use difficulty levels for the challenge. We'll just say easy, medium, and hard for this example. An easy challenge would require rolling 1 success in 20 seconds, while medium would require 2 successes, and hard would require 3 successes. You could even have multiple characters working on some challenges. For example, a really heavy gate could be coming down but to hold it open would require more than the strength of one character. You could have two characters rolling against strength to maintain holding the gate open. Just a few quick thoughts but I think the idea is clear. [all numbers and times in the above example are only used for illustrative purposes.] Ahem. Exalt for this. |
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Post by The Semi-Retired Gamer on May 13, 2022 21:04:21 GMT -5
I think I get what you're going for. Basically, it's the 4E Skill Challenge system but instead of skills you want to use ability checks to overcome the challenge, right? I think a cool way to do this would be to attach a timer to it. Use a small hourglass from a board game or just set a timer for 20 seconds, for example. That's how long the player has to roll a success. They you could also use difficulty levels for the challenge. We'll just say easy, medium, and hard for this example. An easy challenge would require rolling 1 success in 20 seconds, while medium would require 2 successes, and hard would require 3 successes. You could even have multiple characters working on some challenges. For example, a really heavy gate could be coming down but to hold it open would require more than the strength of one character. You could have two characters rolling against strength to maintain holding the gate open. Just a few quick thoughts but I think the idea is clear. [all numbers and times in the above example are only used for illustrative purposes.] Ahem. Exalt for this. Very much appreciated! |
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Post by mao on Jul 14, 2022 4:54:14 GMT -5
What name did you use on ENWorld? mao,tmao and maybe aramax and The Middle Aged One, aramax is a good place to start., Had lots of probs w my passwords Just found this post. |
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Post by mao on Jul 14, 2022 4:58:15 GMT -5
I think I get what you're going for. Basically, it's the 4E Skill Challenge system but instead of skills you want to use ability checks to overcome the challenge, right? I think a cool way to do this would be to attach a timer to it. Use a small hourglass from a board game or just set a timer for 20 seconds, for example. That's how long the player has to roll a success. They you could also use difficulty levels for the challenge. We'll just say easy, medium, and hard for this example. An easy challenge would require rolling 1 success in 20 seconds, while medium would require 2 successes, and hard would require 3 successes. You could even have multiple characters working on some challenges. For example, a really heavy gate could be coming down but to hold it open would require more than the strength of one character. You could have two characters rolling against strength to maintain holding the gate open. Just a few quick thoughts but I think the idea is clear. [all numbers and times in the above example are only used for illustrative purposes.] I see it more as an action/alternate combat system w each one having it's own version of HP and done over multible rounds, similat to your suggestions but it really is it;s oen thing.The OP on the enworld thread had something diff in mind aleo, This is smumthered in mao ness |
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Post by mao on Jul 14, 2022 4:59:39 GMT -5
I still have not found any magnetic boulders. Google can't find it. That's because I came up w my examples , he only posted one about intimadation and did it a dif way |
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Post by mao on Jul 14, 2022 5:02:30 GMT -5
II can't believe I missed all the love on this! Will start new thread w very concreate examples from actual play, I used thsi like 5=10 time, would love get more hands on this as Although I love the idea I never was able to come up w a lot of these.
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Post by mao on Jul 14, 2022 5:04:21 GMT -5
I am not sure that I understand this, even with the examples. It seems to me that you can do all the non-combat stuff without having skills. What am I missing? It could easily be used w abilities instead of skill, I just like the flavor if the skills for this(arm is giving out) |
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Post by mao on Jul 16, 2022 3:35:40 GMT -5
Bump DaY!!!!
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Post by mao on Jul 16, 2022 3:52:03 GMT -5
As a stray thought it might be useflul to watch shows like Magiver or A team to get ideas for types of this.
Also came up w a new one, Battle a huge swarm of army ants
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Post by The Semi-Retired Gamer on Jul 16, 2022 10:07:26 GMT -5
I think I get what you're going for. Basically, it's the 4E Skill Challenge system but instead of skills you want to use ability checks to overcome the challenge, right? I think a cool way to do this would be to attach a timer to it. Use a small hourglass from a board game or just set a timer for 20 seconds, for example. That's how long the player has to roll a success. They you could also use difficulty levels for the challenge. We'll just say easy, medium, and hard for this example. An easy challenge would require rolling 1 success in 20 seconds, while medium would require 2 successes, and hard would require 3 successes. You could even have multiple characters working on some challenges. For example, a really heavy gate could be coming down but to hold it open would require more than the strength of one character. You could have two characters rolling against strength to maintain holding the gate open. Just a few quick thoughts but I think the idea is clear. [all numbers and times in the above example are only used for illustrative purposes.] I see it more as an action/alternate combat system w each one having it's own version of HP and done over multible rounds, similat to your suggestions but it really is it;s oen thing.The OP on the enworld thread had something diff in mind aleo, This is smumthered in mao ness Detail it up! Show us your process. |
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Post by mao on Jul 16, 2022 13:47:49 GMT -5
Bump this for me in a few weeks and I will happily do that, I hesitated because no one seemed interested
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Post by The Semi-Retired Gamer on Jul 16, 2022 14:22:24 GMT -5
Bump this for me in a few weeks and I will happily do that, I hesitated because no one seemed interested Will do. I gave a short example BUT I am interested in hearing all the differing ways so maybe something can be synthesized. |
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Post by mao on Jul 16, 2022 15:47:11 GMT -5
I think I get what you're going for. Basically, it's the 4E Skill Challenge system but instead of skills you want to use ability checks to overcome the challenge, right? I think a cool way to do this would be to attach a timer to it. Use a small hourglass from a board game or just set a timer for 20 seconds, for example. That's how long the player has to roll a success. They you could also use difficulty levels for the challenge. We'll just say easy, medium, and hard for this example. An easy challenge would require rolling 1 success in 20 seconds, while medium would require 2 successes, and hard would require 3 successes. You could even have multiple characters working on some challenges. For example, a really heavy gate could be coming down but to hold it open would require more than the strength of one character. You could have two characters rolling against strength to maintain holding the gate open. Just a few quick thoughts but I think the idea is clear. [all numbers and times in the above example are only used for illustrative purposes.] not at all, but inspired by 4e |
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Post by The Semi-Retired Gamer on Jul 16, 2022 16:02:20 GMT -5
I think I get what you're going for. Basically, it's the 4E Skill Challenge system but instead of skills you want to use ability checks to overcome the challenge, right? I think a cool way to do this would be to attach a timer to it. Use a small hourglass from a board game or just set a timer for 20 seconds, for example. That's how long the player has to roll a success. They you could also use difficulty levels for the challenge. We'll just say easy, medium, and hard for this example. An easy challenge would require rolling 1 success in 20 seconds, while medium would require 2 successes, and hard would require 3 successes. You could even have multiple characters working on some challenges. For example, a really heavy gate could be coming down but to hold it open would require more than the strength of one character. You could have two characters rolling against strength to maintain holding the gate open. Just a few quick thoughts but I think the idea is clear. [all numbers and times in the above example are only used for illustrative purposes.] not at all, but inspired by 4e I'm not getting what you're saying... |
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Post by mao on Jul 16, 2022 16:54:21 GMT -5
This was desigined for 4th ed. but I have taken it in a radical direction using HP insdead of difficulty. The event would have a HP total that the pc's would effect on a case by case basis by making rolles on a d20 vrs their stat. I'm not sure that a d20 roll would work for OD&D so something dif might need to used as later ed's stats are def higher. So for example you are a fighter and you are fighting the magnetic boulders, you might be challanged to roll vrs your strength as you wreastle them from the sky, how much you make the roll by is how much damage you do. 95% of these hazards would have a group total of hp, The pc's would be told that they are entering a skill challange. Spell casting would have to be judged on a case by case basi, IE: a caster could use Magic missle on the boulders but not sleep, for the most part the damage on spells would have to be increaced vrs these threats. That is pretty much all I have, other than a hand full of other examples as these are really hard for me to come up with. The Semi-Retired GamerThoughts? |
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Post by The Semi-Retired Gamer on Jul 16, 2022 16:58:19 GMT -5
This was desigined for 4th ed. but I have taken it in a radical direction using HP insdead of difficulty. The event would have a HP total that the pc's would effect on a case by case basis by making rolles on a d20 vrs their stat. I'm not sure that a d20 roll would work for OD&D so something dif might need to used as later ed's stats are def higher. So for example you are a fighter and you are fighting the magnetic boulders, you might be challanged to roll vrs your strength as you wreastle them from the sky, how much you make the roll by is how much damage you do. 95% of these hazards would have a group total of hp, The pc's would be told that they are entering a skill challange. Spell casting would have to be judged on a case by case basi, IE: a caster could use Magic missle on the boulders but not sleep, for the most part the damage on spells would have to be increaced vrs these threats. That is pretty much all I have, other than a hand full of other examples as these are really hard for me to come up with. The Semi-Retired GamerThoughts? I like it and think it's worth expanding. I'd definitely like to see more. |
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Post by mao on Jul 16, 2022 16:59:15 GMT -5
ooh. Getting through huge thorn bush
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