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Post by ffilz on Apr 4, 2017 18:30:01 GMT -5
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Post by makofan on Apr 5, 2017 12:24:33 GMT -5
The guy's an idiot. Next!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2017 13:48:55 GMT -5
As I told him, he's full of crap.
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Post by Stormcrow on Apr 5, 2017 14:19:48 GMT -5
It sounds like his argument is some kind of "Rule A of System X didn't translate into Rule A′ of System Y, so one is not based on the other" with a side of "RPGs aren't always all about war but wargames are."
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Post by ripx187 on Apr 5, 2017 17:15:17 GMT -5
This dude is a troll. The amount of work required to add to this discussion doubles any work that he himself put into it. I am famous for drawing the wrong conclusions based on the little scraps of evidence that I have, but I admit when I am wrong and listen when others speak . . . or, erm, type. This guy apparently was already told that Braunstein was more than just a wargame, but a wargame none the less. The only people who heard of it, or played it were wargamers.
I'm not even sure what he is getting at?
If it is a tribute article, he puts himself before the subject, and transforms it all into a confrontational prose.
If it was ment to provide informaton, again, it is too confrontational and egotistical to accomplish that goal.
He just leaves too much out. One doesn't see how Dave Wesley influenced RPGs, we just have to take is word for it, and if we don't than we are A-holes.
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Post by ripx187 on Apr 11, 2017 19:28:52 GMT -5
He's at it again. pitsperilous.blogspot.com/2017/04/the-braunstein-experiment-wesely-weighs.htmlHe follows @gronanofsimmerya sage advice, however, he couldn't resist throwing his opinion in there and ruining it at the end. I want to say that I had an issue with this guy before; if it is who I think that it is (and I'm pretty certain that it is) the guy posted a nasty NSFW picture on my blog feed, following the link you got all of this crazy mumbo-jumbo about eating grass to beat cancer. He also got into a fight with my wife over some lame statement, which he changed and made her look like an idiot. He even went back behind her and acted like he had never posted the nasty comment. Needless to say, I removed him from my Blog feed. |
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Post by Admin Pete on Apr 11, 2017 20:54:07 GMT -5
While I am sympathetic to where you are coming from I think this topic may have run its course. Why don't we leave it here without any further comments about what may or possibly may not be the character of an individual. I will entertain further comments that pertain only to the OP. Attempt at light moderation.  |
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Post by ripx187 on Apr 11, 2017 23:54:19 GMT -5
Will do. There is a great interview here.
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Post by robkuntz on Apr 12, 2017 2:57:10 GMT -5
All of this is explained in my upcoming book on Arneson to be released this Thursday. Past, provisional generalizations that are embodied in the ever-pressing question, which exists to this day, "What is a role playing game?" will be answered and/or debunked. More importantly the book addresses what dimensions that the RP concept engine that Arneson created can achieve.
BTW and as an after-note: The idea of the derivation angle for RPGs has always been obscured by a generalization: wargames. Wargames are not created by "wargamers", they are created by those who understand and specifically implement long-standing game design and game theory principles that are allowed for by the rules and axioms of mathematics. What they do have a penchant for is the "type" of game that they create which has been variously typed as a historical simulation or as a wargame. First and foremost they are designers, and that is where one must start in assessing how, when and under what conditions the RPG was finally conceived of by Arneson: by studying the histories and theories of game design.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2017 12:21:08 GMT -5
Once more, bravo.
It is painfully obvious to me that there are many 'RPGs" out there that are written by people who, quite frankly, know nothing about game design. Star Wars d20 is my poster child for this; there were rules in that game that had an effect in the game literally -- and I DO mean literally -- the opposite of what the text said the rule was supposed to do.
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Post by robkuntz on Apr 12, 2017 15:18:09 GMT -5
Once more, bravo. It is painfully obvious to me that there are many 'RPGs" out there that are written by people who, quite frankly, know nothing about game design. Star Wars d20 is my poster child for this; there were rules in that game that had an effect in the game literally -- and I DO mean literally -- the opposite of what the text said the rule was supposed to do. A small bit (and out of context, but perhaps still relevant even in isolation) from Dave Arneson's True Genius: "As a designer I can purchase things that have been designed and use them without concerning myself with other than their readily apparent surface qualities which are there to expedite their use. If the design is organized in a readily accessible manner then I can even imitate its structure to re-duplicate its basic form and functions, modulate the axis of linear processes just a bit, and attach my own theme, or slant, to it with the idea of not originating anything really new therefrom." There's a lot of cutting and pasting "design" that has been going on since the advent of RPGs, much more so than what was apparent in the wargames/board games market beforehand or even today. This is no doubt why boardgames have been on the ascendant for years compared to RPGs/ I briefly examine that idea/comparison and the whys for it in my next book, A New Ethos in Game Design. |
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Post by Mighty Darci on Apr 23, 2017 21:44:59 GMT -5
The blog world varies from fascinating to unbelievable. There is so much angst on some of these blogs. Along with, "I wasn't there, but I heard all about it, so let me fill you in." And then they write the most outrageous lines you have ever read.  |
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Post by bestialwarlust on Apr 24, 2017 7:48:10 GMT -5
The blog world varies from fascinating to unbelievable. There is so much angst on some of these blogs. Along with, "I wasn't there, but I heard all about it, so let me fill you in." And then they write the most outrageous lines you have ever read. That's always the thing that fascinates me "I wasn't actually there but let me tell you what I think happened and the rest I'll just make up!" |
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Post by Crimhthan The Great on Apr 24, 2017 10:36:27 GMT -5
The blog world varies from fascinating to unbelievable. There is so much angst on some of these blogs. Along with, "I wasn't there, but I heard all about it, so let me fill you in." And then they write the most outrageous lines you have ever read. That's always the thing that fascinates me "I wasn't actually there but let me tell you what I think happened and the rest I'll just make up!" Fascinating like a watching a train wreck!  You want to look away, but you can't. |
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Post by robkuntz on Apr 24, 2017 10:44:02 GMT -5
The blog world varies from fascinating to unbelievable. There is so much angst on some of these blogs. Along with, "I wasn't there, but I heard all about it, so let me fill you in." And then they write the most outrageous lines you have ever read. That's always the thing that fascinates me "I wasn't actually there but let me tell you what I think happened and the rest I'll just make up!" Where's Gronan's quote about monkeys and the internet when you need it?? |
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Post by robkuntz on Apr 24, 2017 10:45:11 GMT -5
That's always the thing that fascinates me "I wasn't actually there but let me tell you what I think happened and the rest I'll just make up!" Fascinating like a watching a train wreck! You want to look away, but you can't. Maybe "morbid fascination"...? |
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Post by mormonyoyoman on Apr 24, 2017 12:13:31 GMT -5
"print the legend."
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Post by captaincrumbcake on Apr 24, 2017 12:38:40 GMT -5
Getting John Ford on us, are you? |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2017 13:22:34 GMT -5
That's always the thing that fascinates me "I wasn't actually there but let me tell you what I think happened and the rest I'll just make up!" Where's Gronan's quote about monkeys and the internet when you need it?? Ask and ye shall receive, even with attribution! “We’ve all heard that a million monkeys banging on a million typewriters will eventually reproduce the entire works of Shakespeare. Now, thanks to the Internet, we know this is not true.” (Robert Silensky) |
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Post by mormonyoyoman on Apr 24, 2017 14:18:29 GMT -5
Getting John Ford on us, are you? There's nothing more difficult to remove than getting John Ford all over you. I recommend OxyClean. |
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Post by robkuntz on Apr 24, 2017 14:24:36 GMT -5
Getting John Ford on us, are you? There's nothing more difficult to remove than getting John Ford all over you. I recommend OxyClean. Offering "Crumbs" again, heh? |
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Post by mormonyoyoman on Apr 24, 2017 15:54:47 GMT -5
Keep on truckin' (Puns leadeth me into strange pasteurs.)
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Post by robkuntz on Apr 24, 2017 16:09:17 GMT -5
Pr'haps it is "past-your" bed time... Which would mean in the obverse, sleeping on grass...
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Post by mormonyoyoman on Apr 24, 2017 18:31:01 GMT -5
Pr'haps it is "past-your" bed time... Which would mean in the obverse, sleeping on grass... But I don't live in Colorado. |
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Post by Mighty Darci on May 1, 2017 7:39:07 GMT -5
Pr'haps it is "past-your" bed time... Which would mean in the obverse, sleeping on grass... But I don't live in Colorado. I believe he said sleeping, not smoking. |
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Post by mormonyoyoman on May 1, 2017 14:30:59 GMT -5
In Denver and Ft Collins area, it's much the same.
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Post by Mighty Darci on May 1, 2017 14:47:53 GMT -5
In Denver and Ft Collins area, it's much the same.  |
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