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Post by scottanderson on Jul 28, 2016 12:14:34 GMT -5
I had an epiphany based on the origins of the cleric class, that normal folks of the proper religious constitution ought to be able to hold the undead at bay. Not turn or destroy them like a cleric can, but just hold them off with a mirror or a cross. Here is the rule I wrote. What do you think? Turning Undead: Clerics have the powerful ability to Turn Undead away by channeling holy power. Undead are animated, formerly-living constructs like skeletons and zombies. As the Cleric gains experience levels, he will be able to turn away more-powerful kinds of undead and even dissolve them away with the merest gesture.
Clerics require some object of significance like a mirror, a cross or other holy symbol to use their Turn Undead ability; but the power to do it resides within them, not within the object.
Other kinds of people can hold undead at-bay, but never Turn them like a Cleric. A true believer with a Holy Relic can throw against the Turn Undead as a Cleric of half his own character level rounded up; but those undead are only held at bay, and not turned or destroyed. |
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Post by Admin Pete on Jul 28, 2016 13:09:44 GMT -5
That is pretty nifty and if you use a lot of undead, I sometimes do that, it is something that the players will appreciate even though it is not really that powerful unless your players reach higher levels than most of us get to play to.
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Post by sepulchre on Nov 30, 2016 18:57:42 GMT -5
There is precedent for your interpretation in the RAW without the appeal to level or dice. "Vampires cannot abide the smell of garlic, the face of a mirror, or the sight of cross. They will fall back from these if strongly presented" (10 M&T). Further, paraphrasing, Holy symbols cause a vampire to recoil and remain at bay until the symbol can be removed by a servant or the monster may somehow position itself between the symbol and the bearer (99 MM). Like your account, the undead are not driven off.
Should one be loath to use adventuring or PC clerics, normal men may take the role of a non-adventuring cleric (monk, priest, prophet etc.) and turn undead as a PC cleric at whatever level you deem fit for the campaign. There is precedent for the the latter convention as it can be found in the description of the snow witches in Deities and Demigods.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2016 13:59:26 GMT -5
It works for vampires.
I never heard of a zombie or ghoul being repulsed by a cross or religious symbol.
As a referee, I am always delighted when players make that mistake.
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Post by scottanderson on Jun 19, 2017 13:20:46 GMT -5
A big bag of salt should harm a zombie. And oozes and puddings. Maybe there's something that can fight every kind of undead. Rosewater for mummies, holy water for any of them, I don't know.
That would be good information for characters to get from a sage: how does a normal type fight monster X?
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Post by mormonyoyoman on Jun 19, 2017 15:08:14 GMT -5
Mummies of the Egyptian type can be turned by throwing a cat at them, if the PC is at least a 3rd level Brandon Fraser.
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Post by scottanderson on Jun 19, 2017 15:12:53 GMT -5
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Post by mormonyoyoman on Jun 19, 2017 15:21:32 GMT -5
A first level Adam West equals a 12th level Brandon Fraser, and can turn anything.
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Post by Jame Rowe on Jul 5, 2017 6:39:43 GMT -5
A big bag of salt should harm a zombie. And oozes and puddings. Maybe there's something that can fight every kind of undead. Rosewater for mummies, holy water for any of them, I don't know. That would be good information for characters to get from a sage: how does a normal type fight monster X? I am adopting this for my ToEE game, even though Im using Savage Worlds formthe rules |
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Post by scottanderson on Jul 5, 2017 11:26:32 GMT -5
Hey neato, if you think up other ways to fight certain monsters, let us know. Maybe we can make up a .pdf of all the fun ways for normal types to fight monsters!
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Post by magremore on Jul 6, 2017 5:05:09 GMT -5
Hey neato, if you think up other ways to fight certain monsters, let us know. Maybe we can make up a .pdf of all the fun ways for normal types to fight monsters! Along those lines, I dig the Dungeon Dust idea that Zenopus included in his Lesser Magic Items reference sheet. |
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Post by Admin Pete on Jul 6, 2017 6:40:45 GMT -5
Hey neato, if you think up other ways to fight certain monsters, let us know. Maybe we can make up a .pdf of all the fun ways for normal types to fight monsters! Along those lines, I dig the Dungeon Dust idea that Zenopus included in his Lesser Magic Items reference sheet. Sweet!! |
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Post by magremore on Jul 6, 2017 7:35:36 GMT -5
How about a concoction to repel stirges? Maybe something brewed from lavender, cinnamon oil, mint, and citronella...
Repelastirge®
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Post by scottanderson on Jul 7, 2017 0:59:43 GMT -5
What would repel a stirge? Maybe the smell of sick blood. What would make the blood sick? The over-abundance of a bodily humour. Perhaps a tincture of black bile smeared on your exposed skin, or on your shield?
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