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Post by The Master on Feb 11, 2018 15:56:33 GMT -5
You might be surprised, ebon666heart, as was I ... Old school is an attitude ... a method, not rules. I agree with this up to a point, that point is that some games offer more cooperation to the attitude than other games do. So there are good arguments for using 5E and I will even grant that it makes it easier in a number of ways to recruit younger players. But I am not sure, even if I did not have my original OD&D books that I would use 5E instead of one of the better clones. With a lot of things out in pdf or even word documents that you can edit to suit yourself, if I were going to start a campaign for younger player I might feel obligated to write my own edit. |
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Post by Hexenritter Verlag on Feb 12, 2018 17:14:35 GMT -5
You might be surprised, ebon666heart, as was I ... Old school is an attitude ... a method, not rules. Oh I know, I used to own 5e & I ran a year + 1-20 level campaign in it, but I decided to sell my 5e books and get into OSR games instead as I prefer the rules. I'd play in 5e or a 5e Sci-Fi game but you'll not catch me running them. Just not my style of rules. |
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Post by Hexenritter Verlag on Feb 12, 2018 17:25:35 GMT -5
You might be surprised, ebon666heart, as was I ... Old school is an attitude ... a method, not rules. With a lot of things out in pdf or even word documents that you can edit to suit yourself, if I were going to start a campaign for younger player I might feel obligated to write my own edit. , I agree with this, as it is what I'll likely do when I run my future OD&D or OSR campaigns in the future. It is why I love about OD&D & the various OSRs is that it is so open & customizable depending on the group & campaign you are playing at that given time without having to monkeying with a bunch of powers, feats & other built in crunch. But again that is my personal preference, I'll not knock anyone for playing 5e, 4e, 3.5 or PF, just because I won't run them. |
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Post by mao on Feb 13, 2018 12:19:42 GMT -5
With a lot of things out in pdf or even word documents that you can edit to suit yourself, if I were going to start a campaign for younger player I might feel obligated to write my own edit. , I agree with this, as it is what I'll likely do when I run my future OD&D or OSR campaigns in the future. It is why I love about OD&D & the various OSRs is that it is so open & customizable depending on the group & campaign you are playing at that given time without having to monkeying with a bunch of powers, feats & other built in crunch. But again that is my personal preference, I'll not knock anyone for playing 5e, 4e, 3.5 or PF, just because I won't run them. I'd be perfectly interested in knocking anyone w a positive view on 4E  |
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Post by Mighty Darci on Feb 15, 2018 9:39:16 GMT -5
The Master , I agree with this, as it is what I'll likely do when I run my future OD&D or OSR campaigns in the future. It is why I love about OD&D & the various OSRs is that it is so open & customizable depending on the group & campaign you are playing at that given time without having to monkeying with a bunch of powers, feats & other built in crunch. But again that is my personal preference, I'll not knock anyone for playing 5e, 4e, 3.5 or PF, just because I won't run them. I'd be perfectly interested in knocking anyone w a positive view on 4E I don't think we should knock anyone for playing what they like, even if we think they're crazy. Or maybe that should be especially if we think they're crazy. |
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Post by Mighty Darci on Feb 15, 2018 9:40:34 GMT -5
I've put Northwind on hold for a while while exploring 5E and other games and campaign settings - and having lots of fun doing it. (Believe it or not, you CAN run 5E old school...) Will you expand on that and tell us more about how you are running it and also what are some of those other games and campaign settings you are exploring? |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2018 10:25:03 GMT -5
It's really all in the attitude and subject matter. If you run old school adventures, then you're halfway there. 5E makes it easier to survive, but I'm okay with that because instant death doesn't equate old school ... however the threat of instant death must be preserved. Certain humanoids in 5E can be real terrors if played properly. Kobolds and Goblins use missile attacks when possible and hit and run tactics when not. I limit Feats to what's in the Players Handbook, and honestly, there's not that many and they haven't broken my game by supercharging anyone's PC. Don't rely on skill rolls to be the default method of saves ... make the players investigate or roleplay stuff to determine a difficulty level. It's all really simple to me when DMing 5E how to make it feel old school ...
Oh, and ALWAYS encourage roleplaying ... The background part of character generation really helps players, new and old, define who they're playing.
As for other games, we rotate on Friday nights among the following ... Marvel Superheroes, Far Away Land, Shadow of the Demon Lord, Traveller, Star Wars D6, just to name a few off the top of my head. Our Marvel Game takes place in Astro City primarily and is very much a pulp affair. Traveller setting is utilizing Near Stars and a much lower tech level than most are accustomed to in regular play. I want to explore MERPS, Planescape, and Dark Sun ...but our plate is plenty full as it is.
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Post by Hexenritter Verlag on Feb 15, 2018 17:26:02 GMT -5
It's really all in the attitude and subject matter. If you run old school adventures, then you're halfway there. 5E makes it easier to survive, but I'm okay with that because instant death doesn't equate old school ... however the threat of instant death must be preserved. Certain humanoids in 5E can be real terrors if played properly. Kobolds and Goblins use missile attacks when possible and hit and run tactics when not. I limit Feats to what's in the Players Handbook, and honestly, there's not that many and they haven't broken my game by supercharging anyone's PC. Don't rely on skill rolls to be the default method of saves ... make the players investigate or roleplay stuff to determine a difficulty level. It's all really simple to me when DMing 5E how to make it feel old school ... Oh, and ALWAYS encourage roleplaying ... The background part of character generation really helps players, new and old, define who they're playing. As for other games, we rotate on Friday nights among the following ... Marvel Superheroes, Far Away Land, Shadow of the Demon Lord, Traveller, Star Wars D6, just to name a few off the top of my head. Our Marvel Game takes place in Astro City primarily and is very much a pulp affair. Traveller setting is utilizing Near Stars and a much lower tech level than most are accustomed to in regular play. I want to explore MERPS, Planescape, and Dark Sun ...but our plate is plenty full as it is. Oh I understand full well & i'll never knock anyone who enjoys any game 5e include. My comment about heresy was a joke - must have come out wrong. Hmm, I'll play most games including 5e, but as a Referee/GM I'll only run games like OD&D, B/X D&D or potentially Traveller (not decided on that one yet). I understand my talents & running rules I have to remember a ton of rules or has a bunch of powers, skills & abilities are not my thing. But that is simply my personal preference as a person & Referee. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2018 18:08:45 GMT -5
Also, I would just like to add, Ascending Armor Class is your friend ... fear it not! For you see, while I love charts as much as the next DM, my eyes are getting worse - darn ye Diabeetus! I can barely read the old charts to hit with, and no I haven't memorized them. THAC0 still exists in these Ascending Armor Class systems, it's just not as important. To me, reading a creatures stat block and seeing exactly what the player needs to roll to hit is much easier than cross-referencing some chart. Knowing what number I need to roll to massacre - er, uh - hit the player's character is again, much easier.
I know, I know ... y'all want to preserve some ritualistic tradition for some reason. Check the numbers between AAC and DAC and see if they come out pretty darn close to your charts. Close enough for this darn near blind bat anyways...
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