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Post by mao on Jul 30, 2021 4:47:09 GMT -5
Another thing about Paladins from above. It is IMO rare for someone to play a paladin correctly. I remember years ago reading a thread on paladins on ENWorld and about 50 people chimed in and most of them, in my game, would have been stripped of their paladin powers for evil and chaotic play. Also most people do not play brave, most people play focused on self-preservation first and the group second. A really good group has a lot of team players that are fiercely protective of each other IMO. Although we approach D&D from dif perspectives, I'm pretty sure that we would get along actually at the table(I think things would be best if I were playing and you were dming<should "dm" be capitalized? >)I think we would have a prob if I wanted to play a paladin. I think we differ widely in our views, something not to play in pbp w/ each other. |
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Post by hengest on Jul 30, 2021 7:14:31 GMT -5
Writing this has been far harder than I realized. and made me so emotional , I cried on my wife shoulder. I was going to sum everything up but I am not going to do that now. I am going to post every scrap of memory I have about him and maybe go into more details about above anecdotes.AS I said my grandfather died around the same time. He was always my fav relative when I was young, I loved him very much. About a week before he died I drove him to church and realized he had very little of himself left. I said good bye to him for the last time as he just didn't know he was gone. I am far more emotional about Nevin's death. I have no idea how old he was when he died, prob around 35-40, my grandfather was 82. It's not fair. I am going to leave this now with this thought. People we love can easily die young, it is far harder when this happens. I have a LOT of regrets when it comes to Nevin. Don't let someone go without righting all the wrongs. This is absolutely good advice. When my grandfather died at 96 I felt very little in the way of sadness. It just seemed he had lived his life appropriately and was now done with what he had to do. When someone significantly younger died, and this has happened to me a couple times, I was much more affected. Whether it really was or wasn't anyone's time isn't for me to say...but I can say it affects me more terribly when it seems like it isn't. |
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Post by hengest on Jul 30, 2021 7:17:22 GMT -5
WE played WW2 a lot and very little D&D maybe only 2 RPG games in the year. The brother in law was starting to flake out and be as late as 2 hours to his own house. the group dwindled and the games became less frequent. It was a bad year. I started going over to Nevins house about once a month to play video games or small WW2 infantry battles(no tanks so I did better). I discovered that Nevin had letters posted in at least 4 gaming magazines that I know of. My friend ,Bob , just recently discovered a letter in Space Gamer that I didn't know about.One of the notable video games we played was a rip off of Battlestar Galactica. I always played the good guys and since it was a ship game, I always won. The reason I am telling this anecdote is that the game was played w a card board screen in the middle of the video so you could not see things that you were not close enuff between the ships. I got very emotional when discovering electronic "footprints) of someone who passed away fairly recently. I can only imagine what it's like to discover something in an old letter column. |
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Post by mao on Jul 30, 2021 7:53:16 GMT -5
WE played WW2 a lot and very little D&D maybe only 2 RPG games in the year. The brother in law was starting to flake out and be as late as 2 hours to his own house. the group dwindled and the games became less frequent. It was a bad year. I started going over to Nevins house about once a month to play video games or small WW2 infantry battles(no tanks so I did better). I discovered that Nevin had letters posted in at least 4 gaming magazines that I know of. My friend ,Bob , just recently discovered a letter in Space Gamer that I didn't know about.One of the notable video games we played was a rip off of Battlestar Galactica. I always played the good guys and since it was a ship game, I always won. The reason I am telling this anecdote is that the game was played w a card board screen in the middle of the video so you could not see things that you were not close enuff between the ships. I got very emotional when discovering electronic "footprints) of someone who passed away fairly recently. I can only imagine what it's like to discover something in an old letter column. Actually this part of it, I thought it was cool. I am going to have him photocopy it and find out what number it is. I don't actually have any of the mags he was published in, |
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Post by The Perilous Dreamer on Jul 30, 2021 9:53:50 GMT -5
Another thing about Paladins from above. It is IMO rare for someone to play a paladin correctly. I remember years ago reading a thread on paladins on ENWorld and about 50 people chimed in and most of them, in my game, would have been stripped of their paladin powers for evil and chaotic play. Also most people do not play brave, most people play focused on self-preservation first and the group second. A really good group has a lot of team players that are fiercely protective of each other IMO. Although we approach D&D from dif perspectives, I'm pretty sure that we would get along actually at the table(I think things would be best if I were playing and you were dming<should "dm" be capitalized? >)I think we would have a prob if I wanted to play a paladin. I think we differ widely in our views, something not to play in pbp w/ each other. I don't care if you capitalize "dm" or not size I am not a DM. I am a referee, so it would be if I were refereeing.  We both think Paladins should be brave, where do we differ on Paladins? |
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Post by The Perilous Dreamer on Jul 30, 2021 10:00:30 GMT -5
Writing this has been far harder than I realized. and made me so emotional , I cried on my wife shoulder. I was going to sum everything up but I am not going to do that now. I am going to post every scrap of memory I have about him and maybe go into more details about above anecdotes.AS I said my grandfather died around the same time. He was always my fav relative when I was young, I loved him very much. About a week before he died I drove him to church and realized he had very little of himself left. I said good bye to him for the last time as he just didn't know he was gone. I am far more emotional about Nevin's death. I have no idea how old he was when he died, prob around 35-40, my grandfather was 82. It's not fair. I am going to leave this now with this thought. People we love can easily die young, it is far harder when this happens. I have a LOT of regrets when it comes to Nevin. Don't let someone go without righting all the wrongs. This is absolutely good advice. When my grandfather died at 96 I felt very little in the way of sadness. It just seemed he had lived his life appropriately and was now done with what he had to do. When someone significantly younger died, and this has happened to me a couple times, I was much more affected. Whether it really was or wasn't anyone's time isn't for me to say...but I can say it affects me more terribly when it seems like it isn't. My mom passed at 72, she had neurological diseases and auto-immune diseases. It was way too soon, he mother lived to 93 and her sister to 99. Dad passed at a few days before 84, he had really bad heart disease, starting with high blood pressure in his 20s and he was super fit his whole life. That seemed too soon to me, but when my aunt died at 99 and my other grandmother at 99 they were both ready to go, that was not as sad since that was not before their time. To me if you die of simple old age, it is your time, if you die of other things that is before your time. God determines the time, but leaves our perception of the time to us. |
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Post by The Perilous Dreamer on Jul 30, 2021 10:01:43 GMT -5
I got very emotional when discovering electronic "footprints) of someone who passed away fairly recently. I can only imagine what it's like to discover something in an old letter column. Actually this part of it, I thought it was cool. I am going to have him photocopy it and find out what number it is. I don't actually have any of the mags he was published in, How many mags was he published in? |
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Post by mao on Jul 30, 2021 10:05:27 GMT -5
Although we approach D&D from dif perspectives, I'm pretty sure that we would get along actually at the table(I think things would be best if I were playing and you were dming<should "dm" be capitalized? >)I think we would have a prob if I wanted to play a paladin. I think we differ widely in our views, something not to play in pbp w/ each other. I don't care if you capitalize "dm" or not size I am not a DM. I am a referee, so it would be if I were refereeing. We both think Paladins should be brave, where do we differ on Paladins? I am very lenient about the LG thing, it might be ok thou. |
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Post by mao on Jul 30, 2021 10:06:26 GMT -5
Actually this part of it, I thought it was cool. I am going to have him photocopy it and find out what number it is. I don't actually have any of the mags he was published in, What Issue of Space Gamer is it in. I have to find out. Do you have any? I used to....before the Flood....sigh..... |
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Post by The Perilous Dreamer on Jul 30, 2021 10:10:21 GMT -5
What Issue of Space Gamer is it in. I have to find out. Do you have any? I used to....before the Flood....sigh..... I have two issues, but I just checked the letters in both and don't see his name. |
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Post by The Perilous Dreamer on Jul 30, 2021 10:18:31 GMT -5
I don't care if you capitalize "dm" or not size I am not a DM. I am a referee, so it would be if I were refereeing. We both think Paladins should be brave, where do we differ on Paladins? I am very lenient about the LG thing, it might be ok thou. Well for instance, in the ENWorld thread the majority seemed to think that it was just fine for a Paladin to be a regular visitor to brothels. How they got that out of Lawful Good I will never understand. In the thread, he paid for their services by healing them of their illnesses. Healing them fine, using them definitely not Lawful Good. |
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Post by mao on Jul 30, 2021 10:43:11 GMT -5
I am very lenient about the LG thing, it might be ok thou. Well for instance, in the ENWorld thread the majority seemed to think that it was just fine for a Paladin to be a regular visitor to brothels. How they got that out of Lawful Good I will never understand. In the thread, he paid for their services by healing them of their illnesses. Healing them fine, using them definitely not Lawful Good. A long time ago I had a paladin that worshiped a LG ROMAN god......BUT We couldn't agree more on this! Where I go astray is on, theft, breaking and entering and violence. MY RP influences on paladins are Batman. I really see him as a sort of paladin, He doesn't follow the law but he has a VERY strict personal code and follows it to the letter, comic Batman does not not kill(ok by accident). The only way he differs is he does light torture(prob as much as I would do IRL). (My wife says I would do a little more...) For example although I am extremely up on my Batman lore and have never seen him do this, there is no way he wouldn't water board someone, I think he would. Other than this we see eye to eye. |
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Post by The Perilous Dreamer on Jul 30, 2021 11:06:00 GMT -5
Well for instance, in the ENWorld thread the majority seemed to think that it was just fine for a Paladin to be a regular visitor to brothels. How they got that out of Lawful Good I will never understand. In the thread, he paid for their services by healing them of their illnesses. Healing them fine, using them definitely not Lawful Good. A long time ago I had a paladin that worshiped a LG ROMAN god......BUT We couldn't agree more on this! Where I go astray is on, theft, breaking and entering and violence. MY RP influences on paladins are Batman. I really see him as a sort of paladin, He doesn't follow the law but he has a VERY strict personal code and follows it to the letter, comic Batman does not not kill(ok by accident). The only way he differs is he does light torture(prob as much as I would do IRL). (My wife says I would do a little more...) For example although I am extremely up on my Batman lore and have never seen him do this, there is no way he wouldn't water board someone, I think he would. Other than this we see eye to eye. This where we differ, I see Paladins more as Superman and with some, but less Batman. Until DC went of the deep end and jumped the shark by having Superman kill General Zod and also jumped the shark by having Superman and Batman not be best friends any longer. DC and Marvel both seem to not want me to want their movies because they keep doing really stupid stuff. I do agree that Paladins are a law unto themselves, answering only to their god and not to any religious order. On the other hand, there are no LG Roman or Greek or Norse gods, the best any of them get is Chaotic Neutral. |
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Post by hengest on Jul 30, 2021 12:17:26 GMT -5
The Perilous Dreamer, I could not agree more about Supes killing General Zod, not to mention several other parts of that movie. I saw it on a date and we were both just flabbergasted by what it was, next to what the trailer had led us to think it would be. I have not given tons of thought to Paladins but I may try to do so and come back to this, interesting discussion.
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Post by The Perilous Dreamer on Jul 30, 2021 14:12:04 GMT -5
The Perilous Dreamer , I could not agree more about Supes killing General Zod, not to mention several other parts of that movie. I saw it on a date and we were both just flabbergasted by what it was, next to what the trailer had led us to think it would be. I have not given tons of thought to Paladins but I may try to do so and come back to this, interesting discussion. Given what I already said about Paladins, I also would accept fanatical gritty Paladins like Crimhthan uses based on Solomon Kane. |
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Post by mao on Jul 30, 2021 15:45:50 GMT -5
The Perilous Dreamer , I could not agree more about Supes killing General Zod, not to mention several other parts of that movie. I saw it on a date and we were both just flabbergasted by what it was, next to what the trailer had led us to think it would be. I have not given tons of thought to Paladins but I may try to do so and come back to this, interesting discussion. Given what I already said about Paladins, I also would accept fanatical gritty Paladins like Crimhthan uses based on Solomon Kane. That would def work for me! Love me some SK. |
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Post by mao on Jul 30, 2021 15:47:45 GMT -5
The Perilous Dreamer , I could not agree more about Supes killing General Zod, not to mention several other parts of that movie. I saw it on a date and we were both just flabbergasted by what it was, next to what the trailer had led us to think it would be. I have not given tons of thought to Paladins but I may try to do so and come back to this, interesting discussion. In the comics, The sole reason that Batman has Kryptonite is he will use it if Superman starts killing peeps. |
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Post by The Perilous Dreamer on Jul 30, 2021 15:52:26 GMT -5
The Perilous Dreamer , I could not agree more about Supes killing General Zod, not to mention several other parts of that movie. I saw it on a date and we were both just flabbergasted by what it was, next to what the trailer had led us to think it would be. I have not given tons of thought to Paladins but I may try to do so and come back to this, interesting discussion. In the comics, The sole reason that Batman has Kryptonite is he will use it if Superman starts killing peeps. When did that enter the story line, I remember nothing about that at all. |
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Post by mao on Jul 30, 2021 16:55:48 GMT -5
JLA stuff
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Post by hengest on Jul 30, 2021 16:57:15 GMT -5
In the comics, The sole reason that Batman has Kryptonite is he will use it if Superman starts killing peeps. When did that enter the story line, I remember nothing about that at all. Definitely in The Dark Knight Returns (1986, but not quite "canon") Bruce synthesizes kryptonite, or did so years before, in case he ever wanted / needed to use it against Clark. I am sure that there have been other bits and pieces about this but I cannot tell you exactly where, mao may know. |
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Post by mao on Jul 30, 2021 17:07:05 GMT -5
All I can remember is that all of it was Justice League comics
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Post by The Perilous Dreamer on Jul 30, 2021 17:52:31 GMT -5
I meant what year or decade did this happen in. |
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Post by The Perilous Dreamer on Jul 30, 2021 17:54:38 GMT -5
When did that enter the story line, I remember nothing about that at all. Definitely in The Dark Knight Returns (1986, but not quite "canon") Bruce synthesizes kryptonite, or did so years before, in case he ever wanted / needed to use it against Clark. I am sure that there have been other bits and pieces about this but I cannot tell you exactly where, mao may know. That is a movie so for me not canon at all. I don't view anything in the movies as canon for DC or Marvel because they deviate from the comics of my day, usually they deviate by miles. |
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Post by The Perilous Dreamer on Jul 30, 2021 18:00:33 GMT -5
Given what I already said about Paladins, I also would accept fanatical gritty Paladins like Crimhthan uses based on Solomon Kane. That would def work for me! Love me some SK. Yeah, I do too! |
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Post by mao on Jul 30, 2021 18:13:51 GMT -5
Definitely in The Dark Knight Returns (1986, but not quite "canon") Bruce synthesizes kryptonite, or did so years before, in case he ever wanted / needed to use it against Clark. I am sure that there have been other bits and pieces about this but I cannot tell you exactly where, mao may know. That is a movie so for me not canon at all. I don't view anything in the movies as canon for DC or Marvel because they deviate from the comics of my day, usually they deviate by miles. Could not agree more |
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Post by mao on Jul 30, 2021 18:15:52 GMT -5
I meant what year or decade did this happen in. it was the one about The plans Batman had if he had to fight the JL, They got stolen by a villain, and yes I know there was a cartoon about this but it was in the comic years ago maybe 90s |
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Post by The Perilous Dreamer on Jul 30, 2021 18:20:07 GMT -5
I meant what year or decade did this happen in. it was the one about The plans Batman had if he had to fight the JL, They got stolen by a villain, and yes I know there was a cartoon about this but it was in the comic years ago maybe 90s That was a long time after I stopped reading the comics, and that kind of stuff is one of the reasons. Anything that puts Superman and Batman at odds is non - canon for me. The are the most unshakable high trust relationships in all of fiction. All DC has to do is not mess it up. |
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Post by hengest on Jul 30, 2021 19:04:28 GMT -5
Definitely in The Dark Knight Returns (1986, but not quite "canon") Bruce synthesizes kryptonite, or did so years before, in case he ever wanted / needed to use it against Clark. I am sure that there have been other bits and pieces about this but I cannot tell you exactly where, mao may know. That is a movie so for me not canon at all. I don't view anything in the movies as canon for DC or Marvel because they deviate from the comics of my day, usually they deviate by miles. I meant the comic book / trade paperback/ graphic novel from the 80s, not any relstively recent film. |
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Post by mao on Jul 31, 2021 5:19:29 GMT -5
(back to topic)
I have been dreading talking about this but it has to be brought up. Nevin was in extremely bad health all his life. The longer I knew him, the more he was in his wheelchair. As long as I knew him he was in it at home all the time. He could walk w a cane and when he was in public he would not be in his wheelchair except for the very last time I saw him. It should have been a clue. The only time I ever heard him complain is one time I organized all my gaming friends to run a con tourney. He was angry that the elevators were locked and he had to use stairs, he complained bitterly to the school where the con was held. More about the con later.
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Post by The Perilous Dreamer on Jul 31, 2021 10:29:20 GMT -5
(back to topic) I have been dreading talking about this but it has to be brought up. Nevin was in extremely bad health all his life. The longer I knew him, the more he was in his wheelchair. As long as I knew him he was in it at home all the time. He could walk w a cane and when he was in public he would not be in his wheelchair except for the very last time I saw him. It should have been a clue. The only time I ever heard him complain is one time I organized all my gaming friends to run a con tourney. He was angry that the elevators were locked and he had to use stairs, he complained bitterly to the school where the con was held. More about the con later. Locking the elevators was a dirty move. I am not in a wheel chair, but I would not want to use a bunch of stairs as part of a long day. Health is a crucial thing to enjoying life, and while you can enjoy life with bad health, it makes it a lot tougher and you either shine or you don't. |
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