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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2015 15:20:02 GMT -5
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Post by tetramorph on Oct 24, 2015 18:25:32 GMT -5
JMiskimen, I signed up. But I have to wait to be let it by admin. I will put in the good word!
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Post by waysoftheearth on Oct 24, 2015 18:47:14 GMT -5
The question posted is "does anyone on The Piazza actually play with OD&D". Since most of the posters in that topic are regulars at odd74 and/or here, I think they're more asking the Piazza membership rather than the wider world. Also (I don't mean to be purely argumentative, but for the integrity of the printed word I should comment that...) timemrick's statement is not wholly true, sure. But neither is it wholly true that "Men & Magic provide an alternate combat system to Chainmail that is almost identical to Holmes and BX D&D" (This could be a whole different thread, and there are several of them over on odd74, but briefly:) OD&D provides only "Alternative" tables for determining hits/misses (that is: "Alternative" to CM's Man-to-Man and FCT tables), hits that do 1-6 hp rather than kills, and a simplified morale mechanic. The rest of CM's 1:1 scale combat framework is (IMHO) assumed by OD&D, and is referred to directly or indirectly in dozens of places throughout the 3LBBs. What we have in Holmes and BX are (IMHO) further developments/refinements of the original (CM+Alternative Hit Matrices, 1-6 hp hits, simplified morale) combat rules, that take OD&D combat from a 1:1 scale wargame, and make it into what we now know as a RPG. I agree that Holmes combat is quite close to the original rules, but it does contain a number of its own refinements, and furthermore: the combat detail provided in Holmes is largely absent from the 3LBBs: a reader would have to use Chainmail and the 3LBBs to piece together the detail surmised in Holmes--and this is (IMHO) one of the glorious things about Holmes!
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Post by Admin Pete on Oct 24, 2015 18:48:00 GMT -5
JMiskimen why don't you turn this thread into a poll with some choices, like only OD&D, OD&D sometimes etc. and we will invite as many as possible here to take the poll and you can post a link over at Piazza and they can see what our numbers are. Anyone registering over there just to vote will skew their results for their forum.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2015 7:45:22 GMT -5
Ways ... you smarty pants, you - you sure know how to split hairs ... Perilous ... I don't know how to create a poll ... LOL.
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Post by Admin Pete on Oct 25, 2015 17:02:53 GMT -5
Ways ... you smarty pants, you - you sure know how to split hairs ... Perilous ... I don't know how to create a poll ... LOL. I can turn this into a poll for you if you would like.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2015 17:17:19 GMT -5
It was your idea ... I don't mind.
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Post by Admin Pete on Oct 26, 2015 7:13:15 GMT -5
Added the poll with as many options as I could think of. everyone please take it, it would be appreciated.
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Post by Crimhthan The Great on Oct 26, 2015 7:47:56 GMT -5
OD&D ref here and OD&D is the only rpg that I play.
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Post by The Archivist on Oct 26, 2015 8:49:23 GMT -5
OD&D ref here and OD&D is the only rpg that I play. This says it for me!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2015 11:40:36 GMT -5
OD&D and Classic Traveller ref, and play in AD&D, Pathfinder, and 5th edition games ... Also running a Call of Cthulhu session this Saturday night.
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Post by ffilz on Oct 26, 2015 11:40:46 GMT -5
Currently I actually only play OD&D, however, there are other games on my "would play in a heartbeat" list:
RuneQuest (2nd) Burning Wheel (which in some ways is actually pretty old school) Torchbearer (which is even more old school than Burning Wheel)
In the list of games I'd play if I could somehow find the time to make them workable, and the right group of players (though "the right group of players" is actually a requirement for any game I play these days):
Traveller (or something like it, or at least I'm trying to figure out how to make it work for me) Cold Iron (homebrew of a college friend, probably will never run this because it just doesn't play well without weekly 8+ hour game sessions...) Arcana Evolved (Monte Cook's alternate 3.5 game, there's a lot I like about it, on the other hand, there's a lot to not like about 3e type games.., Maybe if I ran it with an entirely different mindset) AD&D (at some time, I might expand my D&D play to embrace AD&D again - there was a lot to like about it) Chivalry & Sorcery (this would be fun to try out again with my new understanding of old school gaming)
There are other games out there I would play, but I've become much more discerning in where I put my RPG energy. I probably have another 20-30 RPGs that aren't in my "for sale" pile, but they either have some sentimental value or are a source of some inspiration, but really they are just taking up space...
Frank
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Post by Admin Pete on Oct 26, 2015 11:53:02 GMT -5
Hey Frank,
That is a pretty sweet list. Could we talk you into starting a thread and telling us more about "Cold Iron" your friends homebrew game? Also it would be cool if you posted a thread to elaborate on this "Chivalry & Sorcery (this would be fun to try out again with my new understanding of old school gaming)" too.
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Post by ffilz on Oct 26, 2015 12:02:18 GMT -5
Hey Frank, That is a pretty sweet list. Could we talk you into starting a thread and telling us more about "Cold Iron" your friends homebrew game? Also it would be cool if you posted a thread to elaborate on this "Chivalry & Sorcery (this would be fun to try out again with my new understanding of old school gaming)" too. Hmm, which sub-board would those be most appropriate in? I can point to some blog posts for Cold Iron, and always happy to chat about it... I've got less to chat about Chivalry and Sorcery, but if my copy wasn't the 2nd RPG book our little group of friends acquired, it was close. It was actually a Christmas present (1977) for my best friend and eventually I bought it from him. Our gaming started with him getting Holmes Basic D&D for his birthday in October (I think, certainly Fall) of 1977. Frank
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Post by Admin Pete on Oct 26, 2015 12:20:39 GMT -5
Frank,
Here in General Discussion would be fine. If you were going run and post about the campaign, then we would move it down to Member Campaigns.
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Post by dizzysaxophone on Oct 26, 2015 13:09:56 GMT -5
OD&D is my favorite version of D&D. I usually start my players with something more like B/X, because my groups are nearly always complete beginners. Currently I'm running a Basic Fantasy RPG campaign in the Wilderlands of High Fantasy, and have been incorporating bits of B2 Keep on the Borderlands mixed with BFRPG JN1 The Chaotic Caves, and even mixed in a bit of Pathfinders Rise of the Runelords, just to start them out before doing my own stuff.
Some members of that group want to play more often, so we're starting 2 alternating side games, one where I'll be running Labyrinth Lord + Advanced Edition Companion and starting with B5 Horror on the Hill, and the second using Mongoose Traveller, and just running my own stuff.
Some other fellows are asking me to run a series of short adventures through all the classic variants. My plan is to start with OD&D lbbs using chainmail combat, then lbbs with AEC, to Holmes, to B/X, the BECMI/RC. Not sure that this one will go through, but I'd love to be running OD&D again.
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Post by Admin Pete on Oct 26, 2015 13:44:46 GMT -5
OD&D is my favorite version of D&D. I usually start my players with something more like B/X, because my groups are nearly always complete beginners. Currently I'm running a Basic Fantasy RPG campaign in the Wilderlands of High Fantasy, and have been incorporating bits of B2 Keep on the Borderlands mixed with BFRPG JN1 The Chaotic Caves, and even mixed in a bit of Pathfinders Rise of the Runelords, just to start them out before doing my own stuff. Some members of that group want to play more often, so we're starting 2 alternating side games, one where I'll be running Labyrinth Lord + Advanced Edition Companion and starting with B5 Horror on the Hill, and the second using Mongoose Traveller, and just running my own stuff. Some other fellows are asking me to run a series of short adventures through all the classic variants. My plan is to start with OD&D lbbs using chainmail combat, then lbbs with AEC, to Holmes, to B/X, the BECMI/RC. Not sure that this one will go through, but I'd love to be running OD&D again. Also if you would like to start a forum for your OD&D game you can start a thread here in the add your campaign thread.
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Post by havard on Oct 26, 2015 14:37:16 GMT -5
I don't play OD&D, but I have two copies of all the supplements Would be nice to see more OD&D activity on The Piazza, but at least we have this place for this edition. -Havard
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Post by Admin Pete on Oct 26, 2015 14:44:53 GMT -5
I don't play OD&D, but I have two copies of all the supplements Would be nice to see more OD&D activity on The Piazza, but at least we have this place for this edition. -Havard Are you a moderator over there havard?
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Post by tetramorph on Oct 26, 2015 16:45:43 GMT -5
I only run 0e in various house-ruled variants.
I would play, as a player, just about anything so long as it was rules-lite enough.
In a sense, for me, though, its just all 0e. All the later editions are someone's house rules / campaign setting!
The points is, I enjoy playing in a medieval fantasy wargames campaign more than playing a RPG.
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Post by Admin Pete on Oct 27, 2015 9:57:03 GMT -5
Well 20 people have voted so far!
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Post by Admin Pete on Oct 29, 2015 16:20:10 GMT -5
Now 22 members have voted!
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Post by Von on Nov 2, 2015 2:59:04 GMT -5
Put me down for OD&D and Other Games. I came into the hobby with Advanced Fighting Fantasy, I have played a great deal more Vampire: the Masquerade and Warhammer Fantasy Role Play than anything D&D-ish over the years, and I admit without shame that the last game I bought (and the next I am likely to run) is the newfangled Iron Kingdoms RPG, despite its doing everything "wrong". OD&D is part of the roleplaying hobby and an interesting experiment/challenge for me, but it is not some sort of sacred cow or holy grail.
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Post by bigmac on Nov 7, 2015 5:49:19 GMT -5
The question posted is "does anyone on The Piazza actually play with OD&D". Since most of the posters in that topic are regulars at odd74 and/or here, I think they're more asking the Piazza membership rather than the wider world. That's close, but it's not exactly what I meant. I don't know if you know the history of The Piazza, but it might help you understand the context of my question, if I explain a bit about me and The Piazza. The Piazza was set up in 2008 in response to Wizards of the Coast merging all of their forums for out of print campaign settings into one "Other Worlds forum". I used to play 2nd Edition AD&D and was a Spelljammer fan. I had come back to D&D after a break, when a friend ran a Forgotten Realms game with (what was then) the new 3rd Edition rules. I was hanging out in WotC's Spelljammer forum asking about how to use Spelljammer with 3rd Edition rules. One of my WotC friends invited me over to The Piazza about a month after it was set up and I invited a bunch of Spelljammer fans that I knew. The Piazza expanded, adding forums for lots of campaign settings that Wizards of the Coast had never bothered to provide forums for (both old settings - some of which I had never heard of - and new settings that I had not played). I've been watching this happen for the last 7 years now. It has also added quite a few non-D&D forums (either settings or rules). I know very little about the D&D before 1st Edition AD&D and I even used to mix up OD&D and BECMI. But one thing that I do know is that there are still people out there playing every single edition of D&D (because they all still work) and that there are still people out there playing every single campaign setting (because they also still work). And because the "Edition Warriors" that sometime used to give me grief at the WotC forums isn't tolerated at The Piazza, I've been able to learn a lot about "how stuff works" from people who are expert at things I've never played. But what was puzzling me was why in all that growth, The Piazza, as a community founded originally on 2nd Edition AD&D campaign settings, has built up enough interest in things like Pathfinder RPG and Castles & Crusades to justify the creation of bespoke forums (and even formed a bespoke forum around the Dark Dungeons game that was built over there) but somehow not generated interest in the version of D&D that gave birth to all the rest. I know that people still love OD&D. And I can tell from this forum that I just signed up to - after struggling to get my Nyambe forum account to work here - proves that you can say a lot of different things about OD&D. But all that has been needed to pass the 5-10-1 process for a forum request for OD&D is at least five fans posting at least ten meaningful topics and one of those fans making a formal request for a bespoke forum in the "Forum Request Thread" (after the conversation gets to the 5-10 level). Five fans isn't really much (it's enough to make sure there are people to talk to). And ten topics is less than two per year. But for some reason people (at The Piazza) have not been motivated to discuss their own OD&D games there...or ask questions about OD&D. I find that puzzling. So sure, I was asking the people at The Piazza why they don't talk about OD&D more... ...but I certainly wouldn't want to discourage experts from teleporting in and helping people who know very little about OD&D (people like me) to learn more about how OD&D works and what sort of things you get up to in your own games.
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Post by bigmac on Nov 7, 2015 5:54:31 GMT -5
JMiskimen why don't you turn this thread into a poll with some choices, like only OD&D, OD&D sometimes etc. and we will invite as many as possible here to take the poll and you can post a link over at Piazza and they can see what our numbers are. Anyone registering over there just to vote will skew their results for their forum. That wouldn't be such a bad thing. If it ignites a spark in The Piazza and gets people there talking about OD&D more, it might help more people there learn enough about the game to decide if they want to give it a shot. Ways ... you smarty pants, you - you sure know how to split hairs ... Perilous ... I don't know how to create a poll ... LOL. I can turn this into a poll for you if you would like. Maybe I should get a poll added to my topic (at The Piazza).
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Post by bigmac on Nov 7, 2015 6:08:00 GMT -5
I don't play OD&D, but I have two copies of all the supplements Would be nice to see more OD&D activity on The Piazza, but at least we have this place for this edition. -Havard Are you a moderator over there havard? Havard is a moderator at The Piazza. (So am I. As well as being moderators we are both also Junior Administrators.) You can see a full list of The Piazza Team here (not sure if you need to be logged in to see that page).
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Post by havard on Nov 7, 2015 17:39:07 GMT -5
I don't play OD&D, but I have two copies of all the supplements Would be nice to see more OD&D activity on The Piazza, but at least we have this place for this edition. -Havard Are you a moderator over there havard? Hey, sorry I missed this. I am a moderator there yeah, or more correctly I am a "Junior Admin", helping out Ashtagon who is the owner of that forum. It is a shame that that place doesn't have its own OD&D forum yet, but new forums are added based on activity so we would need more discussion before a forum could be added. It seems there is a growing interest in OD&D there now though, which is always a good thing -Havard
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Post by Admin Pete on Nov 7, 2015 21:12:43 GMT -5
Hi bigmac and welcome! No "Edition Warriors" here either, we are all here to have fun and talk about all the ways that we have of accomplishing that. Many thanks for some background on The Piazza, I did not know any of that.
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Post by Admin Pete on Nov 7, 2015 21:15:52 GMT -5
Are you a moderator over there havard? Hey, sorry I missed this. I am a moderator there yeah, or more correctly I am a "Junior Admin", helping out Ashtagon who is the owner of that forum. It is a shame that that place doesn't have its own OD&D forum yet, but new forums are added based on activity so we would need more discussion before a forum could be added. It seems there is a growing interest in OD&D there now though, which is always a good thing -Havard Are you a moderator over there havard? Havard is a moderator at The Piazza. (So am I. As well as being moderators we are both also Junior Administrators.) You can see a full list of The Piazza Team here (not sure if you need to be logged in to see that page). Then to follow up on my train of thought, it looks like we are invited by two mods/Jr Admin - so that is very cool.
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Post by tetramorph on Nov 8, 2015 14:05:06 GMT -5
I know that people still love OD&D. And I can tell from this forum that I just signed up to - after struggling to get my Nyambe forum account to work here - proves that you can say a lot of different things about OD&D. But all that has been needed to pass the 5-10-1 process for a forum request for OD&D is at least five fans posting at least ten meaningful topics and one of those fans making a formal request for a bespoke forum in the "Forum Request Thread" (after the conversation gets to the 5-10 level). Five fans isn't really much (it's enough to make sure there are people to talk to). And ten topics is less than two per year. But for some reason people (at The Piazza) have not been motivated to discuss their own OD&D games there...or ask questions about OD&D. I find that puzzling. So sure, I was asking the people at The Piazza why they don't talk about OD&D more... ...but I certainly wouldn't want to discourage experts from teleporting in and helping people who know very little about OD&D (people like me) to learn more about how OD&D works and what sort of things you get up to in your own games. Bigmac, welcome over on this board! If you are curious about original edition, check out finarvyn's forum as well: odd74.proboards.com/I think I may be able to offer some insight into your wonderings based upon this old-schooler's feel over on The Piazza. One thing that has helped me to understand the difference between 0e and subsequent D&D games has become the slow realization that there is a lot to a subtitle. The subtitle of 0e is "Fantastic Medieval Wargames Campaigns." No other subsequent game published as D&D used that subtitle. Gygax discovered a whole market in people who were NOT wargamers and that became his growth target. THAT is when "role playing games" were born. What I mean is that, folks were already role playing, e.g., with Diplomacy, etc. But the role playing was an epiphenomenon of the game, not its central goal or reality. That is also true for 0e. Frankly, I don't think it is "the world's first role playing game." I think it was the world's first published rules for wargames campaigns in a medieval fantasy setting. Now, don't get me wrong, have nothing against role play and I love it and it is an essential part of what attracts me to D&D in general. But I choose to play the edition that gives me the flavor of playing a wargames campaign rather than other editions without that emphasis. The Piazza is a forum to support discussion concerning published role playing game settings. As a player of 0e, I love the Piazza, but I don't feel like I have much to contribute. My attraction to 0e is, among other things, a.) the desire to unfold my own campaign setting through player / ref interaction and b.) interacting with more traditional medieval fantasy legendaria, before D&D became its own setting or set of settings. Perhaps the very thing I like about 0e is what folks who like the Piazza don't like. That is to say, you've got folks that love published campaign worlds. They may not be interested in making their own and/or watching it slowly change and develop through an on-going campaign. I mean, at least, relative to the way 0e traditionally is played out. This is all just speculation. And no judgment either way: folks just like different things. But let me know if this helps your wonderings about such things in some way.
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