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Post by Admin Pete on Apr 23, 2021 14:51:53 GMT -5
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Post by Morton on Apr 24, 2021 23:22:23 GMT -5
Hannibal the Cannibal went riding out one day.
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Post by Morton on Apr 24, 2021 23:23:06 GMT -5
It is still for sale, how cool is that! |
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Post by mao on Apr 25, 2021 3:58:20 GMT -5
I bought it recently to take a look, but my chrome ate my copy
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Post by The Editor on Apr 25, 2021 20:08:26 GMT -5
mao is there a book you would recommend about Carthage or Hannibal? i have not read anything in the last 30 years on them, I can give you one piece of advise. Look for a book that portrays Hannible as being a black African This seems to indicate that he was likely Phoenician which means he would have been non-white as are Assyrians, Arabs, and Hebrews of the ancient world. Also the Romans are dark compared to northern Europe, so it is all along a continuum. Hannibal could have had ancestry from further south in Africa, but is it not considered too likely from what I have read. Of course the whole of North Africa was a very mixed, melting pot type of area so he could have had almost any appearance. The Egyptians for example were neither black nor white, which also applies to Arabs as well. If you start to try to classify "races" by skin "color" you can see why the number of races ranges depending on who is talking from three to dozens. Funny how we all bleed the same color. |
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Post by The Editor on Apr 25, 2021 20:09:34 GMT -5
I bought it recently to take a look, but my chrome ate my copy Crom or chrome? god or metal? |
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Post by hengest on Apr 25, 2021 22:06:09 GMT -5
i have not read anything in the last 30 years on them, I can give you one piece of advise. Look for a book that portrays Hannible as being a black African This seems to indicate that he was likely Phoenician which means he would have been non-white as are Assyrians, Arabs, and Hebrews of the ancient world. Also the Romans are dark compared to northern Europe, so it is all along a continuum. Hannibal could have had ancestry from further south in Africa, but is it not considered too likely from what I have read. Of course the whole of North Africa was a very mixed, melting pot type of area so he could have had almost any appearance. The Egyptians for example were neither black nor white, which also applies to Arabs as well. If you start to try to classify "races" by skin "color" you can see why the number of races ranges depending on who is talking from three to dozens. Funny how we all bleed the same color. I find it very freeing to realize that the appearances of people (whatever we think the general types are) mean completely different stuff to people in other times or other cultures. Anywhere from "nothing" to the opposite of whatever I assume the meaning is. Just that thought is a great relief to me sometimes, I'm not sure why. |
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Post by The Editor on Apr 26, 2021 0:23:42 GMT -5
Was Hannibal, Enemy of Ancient Rome, Black? This seems to indicate that he was likely Phoenician which means he would have been non-white as are Assyrians, Arabs, and Hebrews of the ancient world. Also the Romans are dark compared to northern Europe, so it is all along a continuum. Hannibal could have had ancestry from further south in Africa, but is it not considered too likely from what I have read. Of course the whole of North Africa was a very mixed, melting pot type of area so he could have had almost any appearance. The Egyptians for example were neither black nor white, which also applies to Arabs as well. If you start to try to classify "races" by skin "color" you can see why the number of races ranges depending on who is talking from three to dozens. Funny how we all bleed the same color. I find it very freeing to realize that the appearances of people (whatever we think the general types are) mean completely different stuff to people in other times or other cultures. Anywhere from "nothing" to the opposite of whatever I assume the meaning is. Just that thought is a great relief to me sometimes, I'm not sure why. Have an exalt. |
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Post by Admin Pete on Apr 28, 2021 9:50:57 GMT -5
I bought it recently to take a look, but my chrome ate my copy Crom or chrome? god or metal? Which is it mao? |
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Post by mao on May 25, 2021 5:29:48 GMT -5
I was rereading this and realized how terrible my editing was on this. I am going to go back and correct my spelling. This is terrible!.
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Post by mao on May 25, 2021 5:32:28 GMT -5
mao is there a book you would recommend about Carthage or Hannibal? i have not read anything in the last 30 years on them, I can give you one piece of advise. Look for a book that portrays Hannible as being a black African I base this on the fact that I have seen coins of the era and Hannibal looked black to me. |
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Post by mao on May 25, 2021 6:22:23 GMT -5
Did heavy rewrite, man was this sloppy.
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Post by The Perilous Dreamer on May 27, 2021 14:34:12 GMT -5
Did heavy rewrite, man was this sloppy. Thanks mao, looking good. |
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Post by Traveroark on May 29, 2021 1:11:09 GMT -5
I wonder how extensive human and child sacrifice was in the ancient world. You would have thought it would have been wildly unpopular with most people. The Carthaginians were particularity evil in this regard I am not so sure that the Carthaginians were any more evil than anyone else. As PD noted, the Spartans of Greece get all kinds of good press these days and yet their whole society was built on pedophilia. Pedophilia and child sacrifice were really prevalent in the ancient world. Pretty much all the peoples named as "ites" burned their children alive as sacrifices. In the ancient world there was a very low value placed on human life. In fact, individualism and the value of human life is a pretty recent thing and is even now a value held by less than half the planet. The dominant philosophy has always been the hive mind of the community at large and the individual viewed as unimportant and of no consequence even to themselves. Of course usually the highest of the elite did not follow that for themselves, but always enforced it for everyone else. When looking at the ancient world and studying history it is useful to maintain some detachment to avoid becoming angry. It has to be viewed for what it was and not through western values. Even today, you need to have some detachment when you look at cultures that are objectively evil, not to say they don't have some good things that ought to be preserved, but that falls under even a blind hog will now and then find an acorn. |
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Post by The Editor on Jun 1, 2021 1:47:23 GMT -5
Did heavy rewrite, man was this sloppy. Have an exalt mao. |
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Post by Death Even XIII on Jun 1, 2021 13:20:43 GMT -5
The Carthaginians were particularity evil in this regard I am not so sure that the Carthaginians were any more evil than anyone else. As PD noted, the Spartans of Greece get all kinds of good press these days and yet their whole society was built on pedophilia. Pedophilia and child sacrifice were really prevalent in the ancient world. Pretty much all the peoples named as "ites" burned their children alive as sacrifices. In the ancient world there was a very low value placed on human life. In fact, individualism and the value of human life is a pretty recent thing and is even now a value held by less than half the planet. The dominant philosophy has always been the hive mind of the community at large and the individual viewed as unimportant and of no consequence even to themselves. Of course usually the highest of the elite did not follow that for themselves, but always enforced it for everyone else. When looking at the ancient world and studying history it is useful to maintain some detachment to avoid becoming angry. It has to be viewed for what it was and not through western values. Even today, you need to have some detachment when you look at cultures that are objectively evil, not to say they don't have some good things that ought to be preserved, but that falls under even a blind hog will now and then find an acorn. Yeah, this thing of all cultures are great and need to be preserved intact is not a bridge I am willing to cross. Most cultures including our own need to have a lot of things culled from them and replaced with better things from elsewhere. If we are really a melting pot we should be getting rid of the bad and keeping the good with no culture getting a pass. |
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Post by mao on Jun 2, 2021 3:51:18 GMT -5
The Carthaginians were sacrificing their children, that is horrible beyond belief
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Post by The Perilous Dreamer on Jun 2, 2021 11:13:11 GMT -5
The Carthaginians were sacrificing their children, that is horrible beyond belief I think the point that is being made is that while the Romans, as far as I know, were not doing that, a lot of other cultures were doing that and for long periods of time, so unfortunately the Carthaginians were not unique in that respect. |
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