Early last year, an experienced D&D 5e gamer told me I should get out of the campaign that I'd been playing for a while, as I was "holding the party back because I didn't have system mastery on the 5e rules". So, since I agreed with him, I handed my player-character sheets back to the very patient GM, and left the campaign. (And the table, and the game store, but that's a different story.)
It got me thinking. ...
Interesting perspective, one with which I agree. Like Mr. Berry, I also played the same way bitd. It is to my mind more fun when the players are playing in a world and not knowing/reading/studying the rule set, but focused on the world itself. I love having people in my games who have never played before and have no preconceived expectations from "ruleset" knowledge. IMO it is more fun for the player and for the ref.
That is some serious disrespect towards him. System Mastery? Rules heavy games are meant to make up for the lack of a good DM, not replace one. How many gamers out there would LOVE to play under Chirine just once? To know that there is some place out there with such arrogance as to suggest such a thing is disheartening.
Post by The Perilous Dreamer on Nov 20, 2019 19:07:46 GMT -5
In this case they failed to realize the privilege of having him in their game. I would love to have any of these guys play in my campaign. I ref OD&D because I know the rules backwards and forwards, the ref should (at least as he gains experience). But I will play in about anything I have the chance to play in. But to be told go away you do not know the rules well enough have not mastered the rules and you are holding us back! Really!
But I understand the situation, I am playing in that 2E game I told you about and I have been playing catch-up for months getting up to speed with all the rules. With OD&D you do not have to know the rules to play, with 2E once you know the rules well enough to make the most of it as a player you are very close to being ready to be the DM (at least in a game that is pretty close to BtB). While I am having fun in the 2E game, IMO it is easier to ref an OD&D game than to play a 2E game (at least the one I am in). So I understand why he agreed with them and left the game. If I were him I would have had to as well. I have looked at 5E and while it is easier to learn IMO than 3E it is tougher to learn than 2E, at least in pretty BtB games.
And you are right, I would love to play in Chirine's game.
2e is a tough game. Low levels require great skill to keep your character alive, even a goblin crew can wittle down a party and slay it if the players aren't careful. Players used to later systems get it in their heads that they can play the character that they want, but unless you start at 5th level, this isn't the case. It is a career simulator, we get to watch these guys before they are heroes which is, in my opinion, a very satisfying thing.
As far as 5e goes, with what little experience that I have with the system, it is much easier to use. I, along with most of us here, don't feel that players need to know how to play to have a good time. I can't even fathom thinking that one player is holding everybody back. Back from what?
I'm not chirine, but I did have the experience of realizing I needed to learn a system well in order not to be a drag on the game. That would have been...hard for me, and not so rewarding. So I had to bow out. Nice guys though.
I don't know if this was the same kind of thing, of course...
My all time fav player was a guy who never, no matter how many times he we told him, learn anything about the rules. He was a CPA, so I knew he had the brains, but never.... He roleplayed unfettered by anything and just rolled what dice he was told too and reported the result.I did need to stay on him cause he would cheat himself out of plus'. I would keep him around forever if life hadnt called him to be a volunteer fireman.Man I miss him.
Saying YES whenever you can(as long as it doesn't cost anything) is your job as DM.
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