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Post by Hexenritter Verlag on Aug 26, 2018 17:10:02 GMT -5
Would it be possible to start a separate thread for our arrival at the ruins? As noted previously, play can continue in this thread at the same (real world) time, if character interactions are not quite completed to the satisfaction of all. But the general shape of the party has not been (more or less) determined. GM: If you want to have two additional Order members awaiting us at the ruins, I am content for you to create them however you prefer. I'll be opening a new OOC thread tied to the Ruins Delve as soon as it is ready (you get there). Each Delve will be numbered & have a linked OOc thread up here in the OOC forum.
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Post by Mighty Darci on Aug 26, 2018 23:25:29 GMT -5
The more they come to respect his ability as a warrior, the less they will trust him and if they defer to him in anyway, it will be lip service solely because of Human Society and the threat of LAW against their kind. <shrug> Seems like a fairly harsh judgement on someone who has only asked for an apology, but have it your way. NOTE: As a paladin, Sora feels that normal laws apply to his actions only insofar as these agree with the teachings of the Church of Mulvigg. Should the two differ, he will abide by the tenets of his faith. Note also that - while he will cooperate with "civilian" priests of Mulvigg to the furthest extent possible - he will only accept commands from his superiors in his Order. Perhaps (once his uncivilized companions have learned something about the multitude of churches among humans) our kind GM can arrange an encounter between Sora and a corrupt priest of Mulvigg. After watching Sora strip the fellow naked, beat him soundly and then donate his personal wealth to the poor they might change their minds. They are outcasts and not human or demi-human, don't expect their beliefs to be logical by your standards. Besides they would not like it if I portrayed them as just ugly humans. They are more alien in character, where your character is trying to conform to a specific creed and purpose.
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Post by raikenclw on Aug 27, 2018 17:48:35 GMT -5
I think things will be self-evident but not spelled out in graphical nature when I leave such gaps so it is up to you if you spell out these things. In the direction of vagueness lies the road to PbP ruin. [According to my unfortunate experience. I see PbP as a cooperative novel. A novel that leaves too much to the reader's imagination tends to leave me confused.]
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Post by Hexenritter Verlag on Aug 27, 2018 18:25:10 GMT -5
I think things will be self-evident but not spelled out in graphical nature when I leave such gaps so it is up to you if you spell out these things. In the direction of vagueness lies the road to PbP ruin. [According to my unfortunate experience. I see PbP as a cooperative novel. A novel that leaves too much to the reader's imagination tends to leave me confused.] If you raikenclw, Mighty Darci & @momonyoyoman are cool with me painting graphic pictures thus to certain darker things that might present themselves i am fine with it. But knowing that this forum is far more Conservative than my other groups I've ran games for I figured I'd error in the name of caution.
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Post by raikenclw on Aug 27, 2018 19:28:36 GMT -5
I'm fine with whatever. If you think you're getting too close to being censored, you could put "[CENSORED]" in place of the Bad Words.
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Post by El Borak on Aug 27, 2018 23:40:48 GMT -5
If you want to post down in the Admin forum for my input, I login every day, although it may be really late the next few days, and I will take a look before you post. Since I login every day it should not slow things too much, so I can give input before you post it in game, I don't mind doing that to help you calibrate things.
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Post by Hexenritter Verlag on Aug 28, 2018 1:04:16 GMT -5
raikenclw it has nothing to do with censorship it has to do with describing horrible things as they happen - I'd rather infer it instead of describing it "in scene". Like in the Village thread where Chet's character is kneeling in the ruined dwelling with the partially burned wooden doll head in her hand with the rest lying at her feet - it infers a ghastly end without actually describing it in graphic detail.I could've had you guys & gal discover the grisly scene instead of having hints of it in my descriptions and having others deal with it. There will be plenty of such scenes to come but the act itself is what I don't want to describe as 1) it is unnecessary & 2) I do not want to offend you my players by describing the brutal acts as they occur, but instead I'd rather that simply be inferred in certain cases.
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Post by raikenclw on Aug 28, 2018 17:25:44 GMT -5
On the subject of that "grisly scene" . . . I (the player) am wondering who put up all those cairns. Those represent a LOT of HARD physical work [both in moving the presumably-scattered bodies to that central location and also in disassembling/carrying the covering rocks], especially for what would appear to have been mostly children working without tools or animal assistance (which would have been either looted or burned). If these cairns WERE put up by such survivors, that would have taken a considerable amount of time and therefore implies whoever did it weren't captives. For why would their captors allow such a thing and the many chances to escape it would involve? So who/where are these workers?
SORA and JOSIAH aren't wondering any of the above, because both are of only average (or a bit below) intelligence and perception.
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Post by Hexenritter Verlag on Aug 28, 2018 19:41:25 GMT -5
It's been two weeks so anyone could've done it. You could have me roll a Int check to see if Sora or Josiah remember hearing anything about it in town, that just filtered into their thoughts as they ruminated about it.
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Post by raikenclw on Aug 28, 2018 19:51:45 GMT -5
It's been two weeks so anyone could've done it. You could have me roll a Int check to see if Sora or Josiah remember hearing anything about it in town, that just filtered into their thoughts as they ruminated about it. Go ahead and roll, although I don't hold out much hope. Neither of them are exactly the brightest bulbs in the box.
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Post by Hexenritter Verlag on Aug 28, 2018 19:54:24 GMT -5
They can't recall hearing anything and the Priestess never mentioned to their knowledge.
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Post by raikenclw on Aug 28, 2018 20:00:55 GMT -5
Acknowledged. It will remain one of life's little mysteries, then. For the time being, at least.
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Post by Hexenritter Verlag on Aug 28, 2018 20:03:22 GMT -5
Very true
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Post by raikenclw on Aug 28, 2018 20:30:35 GMT -5
It's been two weeks so anyone could've done it. Thinking about this further (because I'm bored here at work) . . . Anyone *could* have done it. But who *would* have done it? If these bodies had been the result of some natural disaster, close neighbors of the village might well have gotten together to do it, in order to discourage scavenging animals (if not from simple decency). But given that these particular casualties resulted from an attack, such close neighbors would probably put fortifying themselves against that threat above burying such bodies. After all, anyone sent on burial detail would be highly vulnerable to attack and so would require extra men solely as guards, meaning that the dispatch of so much manpower would necessarily weaken defense of their homes, perhaps to a fatal degree.
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Post by raikenclw on Sept 16, 2018 2:49:48 GMT -5
Regarding the current situation in the action thread:
In the interim, I have figured out a way to justify the initial reaction of Sora and Josiah, of pointing their loaded crossbows at someone who turns out to have been wearing (all along) the tabbard of a division of their own Church . . .
But going forward, perhaps a little LESS deliberate vagueness would be a GOOD thing? I know that my two characters have only roughly average Intelligence and Wisdom, but I would like it to be my choice whether or not to portray them as stupid (for not recognizing their own religious symbology in this case).
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Post by Hexenritter Verlag on Sept 18, 2018 22:16:53 GMT -5
I think that is workable.
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Post by El Borak on Sept 20, 2018 11:16:40 GMT -5
They are outcasts and not human or demi-human, don't expect their beliefs to be logical by your standards. Besides they would not like it if I portrayed them as just ugly humans. They are more alien in character, where your character is trying to conform to a specific creed and purpose. Have an exalt, trying for an alien non-human outlook is way cool!
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Post by El Borak on Sept 20, 2018 11:19:38 GMT -5
By the way, thanks to everyone for showing me where this thread is. My tablet thought it was the same thread as the similarly named original. she's behaving like a juvenile delinquent being questioned by a beat cop. (There. You now get her character. She sees cops, priests, and most men as bullies, just like most JDs with which I've worked.) (Karba's heard no questions, merely orders. To most people, and especially one such as Sora, the threat of "or ELSE" is a part of orders.) (I feel badly revealing this much of Karba's unspoken thoughts. Or is the paladin using a mind reading spell? If so, Karba is disturbingly susceptible to magic.) mormonyoyoman, I love the characters you create, I was reading the old pbp that you were in already and I would love to have people play those interesting "real" characters IMC. Have an exalt!
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Post by Hexenritter Verlag on Sept 20, 2018 13:54:08 GMT -5
But going forward, perhaps a little LESS deliberate vagueness would be a GOOD thing? I know that my two characters have only roughly average Intelligence and Wisdom, but I would like it to be my choice whether or not to portray them as stupid (for not recognizing their own religious symbology in this case). I reread this - and frankly I am irked. I've been bending backwards so everyone is having fun, but clearly they are not. Also it is not like we are being deliberately vague, Chet posted what you initially saw as you came upon the scene & his reaction. mormonyoyoman 's character was kneeling among the graves and you chose to take a hostile stance, which is fine - if that is the kind of character you are playing. BUT you seem to forget that your deity is a God of not just Merchants but a protector of travelers. A armed group comes upon him as he kneels outside ruins, so his initial actions seemed warranted, as once he noticed you were a servant of your God he relaxed. It is one thing to be justifiably wary, but another to be overtly hostile. I outed Chet's character in hopes to derail another inter-character/player dispute that seemed to be brewing. You took Mighty Darci 's characters inner dialogue as something Sora might know or informed your feelings about them; but you don't know what they are thinking. Which in turn is something that they cannot act upon when it comes to what Sora or Josiah are thinking. I haven't heard from Darci on this, but from her reactions to prior OOC conflicts seem to hint at not being happy - but I could be wrong - as you both get along in our other game. In your defense I do understand Sora's reaction to Karba's insulting tone in reference to your deity - I get that, it was a harsh but understandable reaction. But you could've just chalked up the slight as her being a godless ignorant heathen and unworthy of your time, your god is beyond her insults especially as she wasn't being threatening to you or others - thus a traveler to be aided or defended. I won't tell you how to play your character, frankly I am enjoying our Exploring Mantan PbP with Draci & the others. So this is not personal Raikenclw, but remember this is a cooperative game. I'll take blame for not insisting everyone had met and could deal with their differences. You all wanted to get going so I so I didn't push for proper introductions and such, I made the assumptions you should at least know each other's names. That doesn't mean you were bosom buddies, just friendly enough to work together. As you (I mean All of YOU) are all misfits in the setting, thus I made the assumption you'd be more willing to get along, despite your differences. I should've nipped this in the bud earlier, but as it is my first PbP and I wanted to be fair to all players. I want everyone to enjoy themselves and play the character they want to play, but that being said if it causes conflicts just because it fits the character concept I think the character should be rethought. Sora being an misfit, who likely was mistreated by his brothers & sisters, but his love of his god & order allowed him to overcome the prejudice, would be a bit more compassionate to other non-hostile misfits - sure he should get irked at an insult to his beloved deity, but as I said he should overlook it, as Karba was an ignorant godless heathen to his better knowledge. It is a harsh world but Sora understands not everyone worships as he does, even his church has differing doctrines based upon their cultures just like in our world - like the conflicts between Catholics, Protestants & the Orthodox Church. Sora's Church & order are actually a very Heterodox in their beliefs, even though by their own gods stance slavery is a sanctioned trade, as it is a age old trade & serves Order in it's own way. The Falcarn sect thinks selling drugs, poisons & slaves are harmful to society, thus they have proscribed them in their Kingdom, whereas the old orthodoxy in the South see them as perfectly viable trades - did they always? Or has their sect been corrupted from within? But at the end of the day this is a game meant to have fun. If I lose a player over this interpersonal squabble I might end the game until I find new players and they choose to get along & have fun. I prefer reffing with a minimum of three players - it is a thing for me. That said, I could continue running it if the remaining two players wanted but that is up to them - IF one of you chooses leave over this, of which I hope does not occur.
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Post by raikenclw on Sept 22, 2018 22:57:36 GMT -5
But going forward, perhaps a little LESS deliberate vagueness would be a GOOD thing? I know that my two characters have only roughly average Intelligence and Wisdom, but I would like it to be my choice whether or not to portray them as stupid (for not recognizing their own religious symbology in this case). I reread this - and frankly I am irked. I've been bending backwards so everyone is having fun, but clearly they are not. Also it is not like we are being deliberately vague, Chet posted what you initially saw as you came upon the scene & his reaction. mormonyoyoman 's character was kneeling among the graves and you chose to take a hostile stance, which is fine - if that is the kind of character you are playing. BUT you seem to forget that your deity is a God of not just Merchants but a protector of travelers. A armed group comes upon him as he kneels outside ruins, so his initial actions seemed warranted, as once he noticed you were a servant of your God he relaxed. I'm sorry you are irked. But I think what's happening is just misunderstandings based on incomplete communication. The "deliberate vagueness" I cite was failing to decribe the "short man" as a dwarf and his clothing as being recognizably of the Church of Mulvigg. In classic fantasy (such as Old School D&D is usually taken to be) Dwarves - given their lack of height along with inhuman excess of width - are very unlikely to be mistaken for a Human, especially in broad daylight, at fairly close range and when observed while moving rather than while standing still. Also, not having Sora have any clearer idea of what the individual's clothing symbolized than anyone else in the party seemed particularly odd to me. A notation just for me along the lines of "The garment the short individual is wearing bears a certain resemblance to the travelling robes of Sora's Church" would have been extremely useful and not at all out of line. As to Sora failing to be automatically protective of even more chance-met strangers; he and Josiah are riding the trail of what seems to be a very large band of bandits, in the company of numerous chance-met individuals, at least two of whom (the odd mageling and the strange doll-burying female) are of questionable sanity, while most of the others are from races known to favor Chaos. This strange "short man" could easily have been the forerunner of an ambush, thus the initial pointing of the crossbows (particularly when said individual seemed about to produce something - a pearl holding a fireball spell perhaps? - from inside his sleeve). I would say that Sora is being about as polite as he possibly can be, for a religious fanatic. He has yet to exchange a single harsh word with the "companions" he suspects of being secretly in league with Chaos. Paladins can work with neutrals when required, but they certainly don't have to like much less trust them.
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Post by mormonyoyoman on Sept 23, 2018 0:20:38 GMT -5
{Had anyone - anyone at all - stated that the new converts to this fictional church, which you, rakinclaw, did not create - wears a tunic similar to a special soldier of the church? I know of no church, real or fictional, which has such requirements. If there is such a church, I would appreciate knowing which church of which religion had that requirement.
{Even if such an unlikely church did exist in real life, this is not that church. This church was created and designed by our gamesmaster, Ebon. Not. You.
{This is only one point of which I make. If you continue to claim that everyone is being unclear except you, perhaps it seems that way if you believe you are the star of the game. None of us is. And if you continue to carry your character's rudeness into real life, I'm more than willing to banish all my PCs into one of Axel's accidents.
{At the very least, you could cease the poorly-veiled superiority attitude and insults to our gamesmaster. It's too similar to many a prima dona with whom I worked, who foolishly acted similarly to our director.}
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Post by Hexenritter Verlag on Sept 23, 2018 14:02:16 GMT -5
I reread this - and frankly I am irked. I've been bending backwards so everyone is having fun, but clearly they are not. Also it is not like we are being deliberately vague, Chet posted what you initially saw as you came upon the scene & his reaction. mormonyoyoman 's character was kneeling among the graves and you chose to take a hostile stance, which is fine - if that is the kind of character you are playing. BUT you seem to forget that your deity is a God of not just Merchants but a protector of travelers. A armed group comes upon him as he kneels outside ruins, so his initial actions seemed warranted, as once he noticed you were a servant of your God he relaxed. I'm sorry you are irked. But I think what's happening is just misunderstandings based on incomplete communication. The "deliberate vagueness" I cite was failing to decribe the "short man" as a dwarf and his clothing as being recognizably of the Church of Mulvigg. In classic fantasy (such as Old School D&D is usually taken to be) Dwarves - given their lack of height along with inhuman excess of width - are very unlikely to be mistaken for a Human, especially in broad daylight, at fairly close range and when observed while moving rather than while standing still. [Ref's voice: 1) you are making assumptions about Dwarfs. 2) From a distance while kneeling among graves he'd look like a Small Man. Sure maybe Chet could've said he was a Dwarf. The same could be said about Sora, you only later posted a pic of him, from the description in TPD's PbP he was to be Reptilian (basically a Lizard Folk). You were very vague on his looks too.Also, not having Sora have any clearer idea of what the individual's clothing symbolized than anyone else in the party seemed particularly odd to me. A notation just for me along the lines of "The garment the short individual is wearing bears a certain resemblance to the travelling robes of Sora's Church" would have been extremely useful and not at all out of line. [Ref's Voice: I only outed Chet's character as a cleric, since I wanted to forego this kind of thing. Also you've ignored the simple facts of 1) Sora is a Paladin of a specific Religious Order, 2) that there are at least three regional priesthoods of Mulvigg, each with their own character. 3) Chet described him in tattered robes & I clarified he was covered in gore & grime, thus covering up any open symbolism. 4) Instead of asking Chet for greater detail to better get an idea of his character Sora took a openly hostile stance. Was it warranted? It could be, but you are on a horse with a loaded crossbow at the ready you'd get first strike. I'll assume Josiah was also equally armed and ready. As to Sora failing to be automatically protective of even more chance-met strangers; he and Josiah are riding the trail of what seems to be a very large band of bandits, in the company of numerous chance-met individuals, at least two of whom (the odd mageling and the strange doll-burying female) are of questionable sanity, while most of the others are from races known to favor Chaos. This strange "short man" could easily have been the forerunner of an ambush, thus the initial pointing of the crossbows (particularly when said individual seemed about to produce something - a pearl holding a fireball spell perhaps? - from inside his sleeve). [Ref's voice: Again, no one said that Sora shouldn't be wary of the man. He could be as you described; but that said. As an armed warrior with a crossbow at the ready and a person with their back to you (in my assumed view) he isn't a open threat. Fact 1) He is kneeling. Fact 2) the arrested his movement towards his sleeve as he noticed your allegiance. Fact 3) In context to the "odd Mageling" you chose to travel with him in Last Hope Township, as with the Half-Orcs & Half-Ogre. Fact 4) In OD&D Book 1: Men & Magic on page 9, both Orcs & Ogres are listed as being of Neutrality & Chaos; of which I listed in both the Character Creation & House Rules folders.
Half-Ogres: Stand 6-9 feet tall, are fairly dim, but incredibly strong and robust. They roll 2d6+1 for Int, Wis & Cha, 3d6+2 for both Str & Con, but only 2d6+4 for Dex. They speak common and what other languages their Int allows. Dwarf rules versus Ogres do not apply to Half-Ogres as they are not as clumsy as their full ogre kin. Half-Ogres can only be Fighter to level 7th level. Half-Ogres can be either Neutral or Chaos aligned. They are very rare, only one or two reside in Last Hope Township at this time. Half-Ogres often look like tall and strong neanderthals with large bulbous noses and wide mouths to more feral neanderthals with small tusks and horns growing from their head.
Half-Orcs: Are about as tall as men, a bit more hardy and not as wise or charismatic as men. They look like feral men, with pronounced tusk like lower teeth and green, brown or gray hued complexions and black hair. Those that live in Orcish communities often fall into their communities’ proclivity for inter tribal squabbling. Those raised in mannish communities are far more even-keeled than their tribal kin. They are often looked down on, especially by both Dwarfs and full blooded Elves; so they often choose to live as Mercenaries, pirates, thieves or bandits; as they are generally accepted among their fellow riffraff. They roll 3d6 for Int, Str & Dex, 2d6+3 for both Wis & Cha; plus 3d6+1 for Con. Half-Orcs can be Fighters & Thieves without level limits. Half-Orcs can either be Neutral or chaos aligned. Half-Orcs are often derived from the more mannish neutral tribes of Orcs (think Skyrim Orcs) as their Chaotic and bestial brethren will often eat their fallen enemies and any spawn produced from any unions between them and their captives, especially when other food sources are restricted.
I told you this before, letting you know Darci was playing them & that Sora had worked with both races before, thus Sora would be more open minded about them.
Did you read my posts in the character creation threads? It doesn't seem to be so.
I would say that Sora is being about as polite as he possibly can be, for a religious fanatic. He has yet to exchange a single harsh word with the "companions" he suspects of being secretly in league with Chaos. Paladins can work with neutrals when required, but they certainly don't have to like much less trust them. [Ref's voice: The bold section above is deeply concerning - you have put forth the assumption your companions are in league Chaos & Sora is a religious fanatic (one who defies his own God's teachings - which is odd for a fanatic). I've repeatedly told you, Paladins & Clerics of Mulvigg are defenders of travelers - so unless they proven to be Chaotic in nature they are to be assumed innocent. That said being justifiably wary is one thing but overtly hostile is another. Could Chet have described his character better? Yes. Did he have to have Karba insult Mulvigg? No. But in the end of the day, unless a traveler attacks you or another innocent you are to offer aid or leave them to their own devices - being wary all the time. Maybe Sora is giving into his Chaotic tainted blood. The thing is this is a game. If you have issues with lore ask me, but that said the problem is you ignore the lore I give you and you make assumptions based on out of setting based personal biases. We are playing a house ruled hodge-podge of OD&D & Delving Deeper in a setting I created that includes Half-Ogres, Half-Orcs & Half-Goblins who though are looked down upon are accepted in many communities if only barely. Tieflings are even more rejected by most society because of their tainted blood, but Sora is treated far better than most as he serves Law openly. His God accepts all who are not chaotic into his fold as followers, though only those of Law can serve him. I am more than willing to discuss things setting & game-wise so you can enjoy the game but up until now you ignore what I tell you. Clearly you wanted to play a more traditional Paladin, but that said you chose a untraditional race and even though I offered to come up with other Lawful deities you could serve, you chose Mulvigg - the God of Merchants & Travelers; which doesn't fit the Traditional Paladin stereotype. That is fine, but you seem to hold your fellow player's characters in disdain and instead of talking to Chet in PM to try to work through any issues you have, but instead wait until something comes up in game that doesn't fit your biases, you then get get frustrated and take offense, then lecture us.
Chet is pissed at you & he is not having fun - as you seem hell bent to find excuses to take umbrage at his characters actions. Should Karba have insulted your character's deity? No, i'll grant you that. But a big problem is you have forgotten you are on a mission, that mission is paramount - ignoring an ignorant Heathen's insult for the time being until you could complete your mission is Sora's current priority. He can be wary & be upset - but the mission comes first!
I am not having fun. I don't like the fact that I now have to diffuse another petty intra-party conflict that could've been avoided by you asking questions in this OOC or PM, which me, Chet or Darci so could clarify things you required. We are adults, we should be able to converse civilly. raikenclw I do enjoy our game together in the Exploring Mantan campaign BUT you are driving Chet to seriously consider leaving the game. I'll not have that. I've never seen Chet pissed on this forum EVER, maybe his health has made him less tolerant to petty BS but I am getting sick of it too. I've been trying to balance things for everyone's enjoyment, but Chet seems to be the one getting the shaft in my decisions (And I can quote every time I sided with you).
I dropped the ball - I should've made sure everyone was on the same page. In the future PbP's I run I'll either be using the Playbooks from Beyond the Wall or create my own or state everyone knows each other from the start and have every one create interconnected backgrounds so this kind of thing doesn't occur again. I tried to please everyone, allow them to play anything they wanted - which should not be a problem but in the end became one.
We have a choice to make - do we start anew from scratch, try to get along & move past this or try to make this campaign work by coming to terms with each other & try getting along (Chet seems less inclined to do so with these two options and I don't blame him) or end this campaign and I'll eventually try run a new game once I can find players willing to do so. Frankly, I'd like to wait until Mighty Darci can chime in. Maybe everyone needs to get into PM and discuss this privately and see if we ALL can work through this or not. Note: I'll not let this conflict bleed into the other game I am playing with you Raikenclw.]
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Post by Mighty Darci on Sept 23, 2018 19:09:01 GMT -5
I would like to continue this game if we could. I am of the camp that doesn't think paladin's should be played like stick up their butt jerks. That being only one of the ways to play paladins, although admittedly it is the most common that you hear about.
You can play your character any way you want, just bear it mind what happens to 2nd Lieutenants that take that tack in time of war. You say you are playing a fanatic, so is your fanatic the kind that gets martyred for the faith (not for being faithful, but for being rigid, unforgiving, cold and heartless) or one who wins followers to the faith and if martyred is mourned.
Also bear in mind that the halflings are neutral for the time being and they are between agnostic and atheist when it comes to the gods, they haven't seem much to recommend worshiping any god. Right now you are making your god a noxious odor to them and shoving them away. Playing a less rigid more accepting soul could (or could not) possibly win them over, they who have never seen acceptance in their lives. But the path you are taking could possibly shove them into the waiting arms of Chaos.
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Post by Hexenritter Verlag on Sept 23, 2018 22:57:18 GMT -5
Like you Mighty Darci I'd like to continue, as I was waiting for your input. But if Chet chooses he has enough with Raikenclw & you agree Darci ,I'll remove Raikenclw and we can continue without him. That said I hope that doesn't occur and we ALL (including Raikenclw) can continue.
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Post by raikenclw on Sept 24, 2018 1:11:34 GMT -5
{Had anyone - anyone at all - stated that the new converts to this fictional church, which you, rakinclaw, did not create - wears a tunic similar to a special soldier of the church? I know of no church, real or fictional, which has such requirements. If there is such a church, I would appreciate knowing which church of which religion had that requirement. {Even if such an unlikely church did exist in real life, this is not that church. This church was created and designed by our gamesmaster, Ebon. Not. You. {This is only one point of which I make. If you continue to claim that everyone is being unclear except you, perhaps it seems that way if you believe you are the star of the game. None of us is. And if you continue to carry your character's rudeness into real life, I'm more than willing to banish all my PCs into one of Axel's accidents. {At the very least, you could cease the poorly-veiled superiority attitude and insults to our gamesmaster. It's too similar to many a prima dona with whom I worked, who foolishly acted similarly to our director.} Much of this borders upon the personally insulting, so I will ignore that portion. As to the central position of religious symbology: there are symbolical elements common to most religions, versions of which are used by that religion's various factions. For example, most branches and orders of Christianity use some recognizable version of the crucifix. It would have been - as I stated - very easy for the GM to say something along those lines. I the player do not need to know what these symboligical similiarities are, merely that they exist and that Sora noticed their presence in the "small man's" attire.
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Post by raikenclw on Sept 24, 2018 1:19:45 GMT -5
Once again, I submit that I am being perceived as being insulting and hard to get along with.
I am not deliberately being so.
I am merely attempting to play my characters without metagaming.
My character is a holy warrior, which is by definition a religious fanatic. While the lay members of Mulvigg's religion and even his non-martial clerics may wish to give all travellers the benefit of the doubt and assume them to be innocent, a paladin must constantly be on guard against Chaos. Unlike Law, Chaos can hide itself within the innocent with ease. With the exception of demanding an apology for an obvious insult, neither Sora nor Josiah has done anything overt to show distrust to anyone in the party. Even the insult incident - once the insult had finally been admitted and withdrawn - was put behind him with a laugh.
Going forward, I will continue to try and play my characters without metagaming. If this is not suitable, then I will have to (reluctantly) withdraw from this game.
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Post by raikenclw on Sept 24, 2018 1:22:48 GMT -5
By the way, just a quick note:
It seems to me that most of my characters problems stem from trying to parse what the GM is posting for mormomyoyoman versus what mormomyoyoman posts himself. Perhaps the GM show stop trying to play mormonyoyoman's characters and just report their actions instead, when he is running them as NPCs?
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Post by raikenclw on Sept 24, 2018 2:00:27 GMT -5
I've lain in bed for the past half hour, failing to fall asleep and thinking about how I'm being accused of being deliberately obtuse and obstructive.
So I thought I should remind everyone:
Who's PC was it that assumed Sora had something to do with the massacre of the village and then began cursing "priests" and all their ilk, in RESPONSE to being treated by said "priest" with quite evident politeness?
Sure. This PC was LATER described - OOC - as essentially suffering from post traumatic stress disorder. But why did nobody immediately jump upon that player for being needlessly obstructive and combative, in how he chose to handle first meeting the party?
Why was only my quite reasonable RESPONSE to this destructive and combative behavior deemed "obstructive?"
Just because the player in question - and even evidently the GM - expected my PC to respond in a meek and mild manner does not mean I am required to do so.
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Post by El Borak on Sept 24, 2018 9:26:33 GMT -5
Once again, I submit that I am being perceived as being insulting and hard to get along with. I am not deliberately being so. I am merely attempting to play my characters without metagaming. My character is a holy warrior, which is by definition a religious fanatic. While the lay members of Mulvigg's religion and even his non-martial clerics may wish to give all travellers the benefit of the doubt and assume them to be innocent, a paladin must constantly be on guard against Chaos. Unlike Law, Chaos can hide itself within the innocent with ease. With the exception of demanding an apology for an obvious insult, neither Sora nor Josiah has done anything overt to show distrust to anyone in the party. Even the insult incident - once the insult had finally been admitted and withdrawn - was put behind him with a laugh. Going forward, I will continue to try and play my characters without metagaming. If this is not suitable, then I will have to (reluctantly) withdraw from this game. I have to jump in here and ask, what are you referring to as metagaming? I am genuinely curious about this statement.
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Post by Mighty Darci on Sept 24, 2018 10:21:59 GMT -5
I've lain in bed for the past half hour, failing to fall asleep and thinking about how I'm being accused of being deliberately obtuse and obstructive. So I thought I should remind everyone: Who's PC was it that assumed Sora had something to do with the massacre of the village and then began cursing "priests" and all their ilk, in RESPONSE to being treated by said "priest" with quite evident politeness? Sure. This PC was LATER described - OOC - as essentially suffering from post traumatic stress disorder. But why did nobody immediately jump upon that player for being needlessly obstructive and combative, in how he chose to handle first meeting the party? Why was only my quite reasonable RESPONSE to this destructive and combative behavior deemed "obstructive?" Just because the player in question - and even evidently the GM - expected my PC to respond in a meek and mild manner does not mean I am required to do so. raikenclw, as your friend, I think that you need to re-read the direction given by Hexenritter Verlag above in the red text and then rethink how you are going to run your paladin. I think what you are trying to do right now might work really well in a face to face game with longtime friends and the whole table would be rolling with laughter while you and Chet played the whole insult thing and other scenes out. But this is a pbp, the long relationships are not there and the social cues are all missing. I think the chip on your shoulder paladin and privately suspicious paladin are fine, but also the whole point above about the mission being important and the paladin letting things go and chalking it up to ignorant heathens ( with appropriate thought balloons) could be really good. And IMO could supply some laughs instead of angst. Also regarding the halflings, I have provided thought balloons to clue you in that they, the same as you have been and are hated minorities and have no reason to trust anyone including you. Cluing you that you could win them over to your camp, if you try to. It is traditional to play paladins as either humble souls or as the more prevalent arrogant jerks (the ones everybody hates and doesn't want to play with). Given your characters background and upbringing and as noted his previous association with other minorities I was hoping we were going to get the former, especially because it is so much harder to play. But it is up to you and I hope you can find a happy medium where we all (including you) can have fun. I really don't want to have to restart the game or lose any players.
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