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Post by Admin Pete on Apr 17, 2018 12:24:41 GMT -5
I’ll concede the point, but doesn’t that further mean we too are getting hung up on wording? In other words, we’re doing exactly the same thing that some posters on this thread are looking down on? People are getting upset by words. If you just read the linked information on the X-card, it is pretty upsetting IMO. It's the whole good intentions of "let's throw the baby out with the bathwater approach." I think the most objectionable thing is that "I can censor your game at anytime for any reason or even no reason, because I tap the card and you are done and I do not have to tell you why" part of the X-card. I think that is the part that is upsetting people, the censorship, but you do not get to find out why. I think most of us would be quite open to work with someone who told us WHY they had a problem, but to just say Stop with no Why is a problem. In other words, I think most of us have a problem with not being given a reason for things. At least that is the way that I see it.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2018 12:58:20 GMT -5
If you just read the linked information on the X-card, it is pretty upsetting IMO. It's the whole good intentions of "let's throw the baby out with the bathwater approach." I think the most objectionable thing is that "I can censor your game at anytime for any reason or even no reason, because I tap the card and you are done and I do not have to tell you why" part of the X-card. I think that is the part that is upsetting people, the censorship, but you do not get to find out why. I think most of us would be quite open to work with someone who told us WHY they had a problem, but to just say Stop with no Why is a problem. In other words, I think most of us have a problem with not being given a reason for things. At least that is the way that I see it. I read it before I ever commented in this thread. I suppose I came away with a different view on it than just about everyone else. I certainly didn’t see anything to get upset about. Anyway ... I don’t want to put too much energy into defending a viewpoint (x-cards) I don’t hold and don’t think all that much of. People’s views on it are their own. I was merely surprised at the amount of rancor it generated.
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Post by mormonyoyoman on Apr 17, 2018 16:25:29 GMT -5
Introducing kids (anyone under 55) to rolegaming is a particular delight of mine. When one granddaughter was 6, she described her characters' violence much more graphically than I would - but also more imaginatively. (read "twisted sense of dark humor) When fighting a zombie (who was her previous character) she successfully decapitated her - and then placed its/her head right back on her neck!
Would an older kid think of doing something like that? Of course I ruled that the zombie immediately came back to un-life.
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Post by mormonyoyoman on Apr 17, 2018 16:31:03 GMT -5
Per Mr PD's analysis of why a Marvel Mutant card would be an effront to common decency, I am reminded of when I was taught that no troops are going to "take that hill" under fire, unless you tell them why that hill needs taken.
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Post by ripx187 on Apr 17, 2018 18:06:29 GMT -5
I kind of think that this thread should be closed, folks tend to post some very ugly and hurtful mental garbage here and expect others not to react. I don't know about anybody else, but I have lost respect for a few folks who have broadcasted their bigotries on this specific thread, and it is taking us away from WHY we are here.
Can DM's abuse their authority and use it to harm players? YES! And it betrays the spirit of the game when they do. Worldwide there aren't many tables out there, so when a player finally finds one and is targeted by the DM for who he or she is while everybody else laughs or puts up with the DM's crappy behavior is not cool. Our players shouldn't need an X-Card, but sometimes you have to treat irresponsible people like children. Through D&D we can explore new lines of thought and apply different questions to our worlds. With each new player comes an expanding of our shared settings. We take something away from this experience, and, hopefully, become better people. The game should allow us a reprieve from the social systems that fog our minds and keep us preoccupied with non-issues.
Normal is a setting on a dryer, not a qualification system for groups of people. Escape that line of thought, it is doing nothing but harm.
I personally would hate for my players to feel like they would need such a thing. While DMing I do pay attention to what is going on, try to keep everyone engaged, and try my best to identify and provide their personal idea of fun. As an administrator of the gaming world, I do try and stay neutral. Once the players take a role, this is no longer just my world. We share this now, and that is what makes it worth doing.
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Post by clooney on May 2, 2022 11:08:24 GMT -5
I will not tolerate any of that woke b.s. at my table. No snowflakes allowed.
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Post by Q. F o s t e r on May 2, 2022 11:22:36 GMT -5
I only play with rational adults who are friends, so no need of something like this.
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Post by Snuffy Smith on May 2, 2022 11:28:30 GMT -5
No way, Jose!, Oops!
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Post by Ibizan Zamway on May 2, 2022 11:47:01 GMT -5
My thoughts exactly!
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Post by nobody on Jun 16, 2022 19:41:24 GMT -5
No cancel culture and political drama at my table, therefore no X-card.
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Post by hengest on Jul 5, 2022 4:48:52 GMT -5
No cancel culture and political drama at my table, therefore no X-card. Would really not like to have this item around. If the DM turned out to be a total nut and was abusing a player I would say so and if that didn't fix it, leave.
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Post by mao on Jul 5, 2022 6:32:45 GMT -5
I will not tolerate any of that woke b.s. at my table. No snowflakes allowed. Exalt.
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Post by The Perilous Dreamer on Jul 6, 2022 1:32:09 GMT -5
No cancel culture and political drama at my table, therefore no X-card. Would really not like to have this item around. If the DM turned out to be a total nut and was abusing a player I would say so and if that didn't fix it, leave. That's the thing, you can always vote with your feet. Run your game how you want, but abusing people is not cool and will not be tolerated.
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Post by The Semi-Retired Gamer on Jul 7, 2022 21:47:15 GMT -5
From what I've been to discern, the people that require an X-card are not people I would choose to game with anyway.
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Post by Kujik on Aug 15, 2022 11:35:39 GMT -5
I don't game with ignorant snowflakes. You want to play insane games, find someplace else to do it.
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Post by The Man From Coventry on Aug 17, 2022 16:36:40 GMT -5
I would never X-card myself and I would not want to play with anyone who would do that.
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Post by Morose on Sept 5, 2022 17:53:50 GMT -5
X-cards are only for people that you would not want to game with.
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Post by Bartholmew Quarrels on Sept 9, 2022 10:10:04 GMT -5
The whole X-card thing is for people who are of adult age, but are not adults and they might never grow up enough to be an adult.
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Post by Warrior Twin One on Sept 14, 2022 16:30:18 GMT -5
No X-cards, using them would mean I did a really poor job of picking my friends.
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Post by nobody on Oct 10, 2022 19:11:15 GMT -5
From what I've been to discern, the people that require an X-card are not people I would choose to game with anyway. I think that is universally true.
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