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Post by mao on Feb 9, 2018 17:39:57 GMT -5
How did George Lucas have more control, than the studio,on Star Wars?
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Post by mormonyoyoman on Feb 9, 2018 18:11:09 GMT -5
They were wrong, as Doom Patrol debuted in "My Greatest Adventure" almost simultaneously with X-men #1. Arnold Drake (DP's creator) could never believe Stan hadn't somehow stolen from him, even though he later worked for Stan, writing - ironically - the X-men. Ah were they?, Lee played golf with the head of DC comic and reportedly told Lee all about Doom Patrol and they are too close for it be a coincident. Leader in wheelchair? social out casts? Doom Patrol is extremely close to Xmen. (but I am A DC fanboy) Stan never played golf with Leivowitz nor with Donenfeld. You're thinking of his cousin-twice-removed Marty Goodman, Stan's boss. And the apolyptic story was that Jake bragged about JLA, prompting Marty to order Stan to prep a superhero team book. It was probably going to be another Cap/Subby/Torch revival, but then Joe Maneely died in the subway and Jack Kirby was the only one who could get a whole book out fast from a 1 or 2 page synopsis - FAST. Which, once Jack had deviated from Stan's plot (Sue, for instance, was to be a movie star) became the Fantastic Four. A couple or three years before Stan hustled to replace the very late Daredevil #1 on the schedule. Don't remember if X-men or Avengers was planned and the other was a rush job, but X-men #1 looks and reads like a rush job. |
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Post by mormonyoyoman on Feb 9, 2018 18:12:01 GMT -5
How did George Lucas have more control, than the studio,on Star Wars? I blame Roy Thomas though Roy says it ain't so. |
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Post by mao on Feb 9, 2018 18:32:46 GMT -5
Ah were they?, Lee played golf with the head of DC comic and reportedly told Lee all about Doom Patrol and they are too close for it be a coincident. Leader in wheelchair? social out casts? Doom Patrol is extremely close to Xmen. (but I am A DC fanboy) Stan never played golf with Leivowitz nor with Donenfeld. You're thinking of his cousin-twice-removed Marty Goodman, Stan's boss. And the apolyptic story was that Jake bragged about JLA, prompting Marty to order Stan to prep a superhero team book. It was probably going to be another Cap/Subby/Torch revival, but then Joe Maneely died in the subway and Jack Kirby was the only one who could get a whole book out fast from a 1 or 2 page synopsis - FAST. Which, once Jack had deviated from Stan's plot (Sue, for instance, was to be a movie star) became the Fantastic Four. A couple or three years before Stan hustled to replace the very late Daredevil #1 on the schedule. Don't remember if X-men or Avengers was planned and the other was a rush job, but X-men #1 looks and reads like a rush job. So your saying that these were developed simultaneously and separately? Really? I have got some swamp land in Fla if your interested?  |
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Post by mormonyoyoman on Feb 9, 2018 20:57:14 GMT -5
Please. I've seen far too many simultaneous creations in too many fields to deny they're unknown. Any magazine editor, prop supply house, or magicians supplies shop can tell you dozens of incidents - and fights which served no purpose at all.
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Post by ripx187 on Feb 11, 2018 19:18:48 GMT -5
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Post by The Master on Feb 11, 2018 21:59:47 GMT -5
That, that, that is disturbing to look at.
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Post by ripx187 on Feb 12, 2018 19:44:59 GMT -5
Nerds fighting about comic books goes together like PB&J! I should know because I am extra nerdy! I love the Science Fiction ones. Adam Strange is my favorite.  Before kids replaced my Comic Book Day budget, it was a highlight of the week to go to the Shop and argue for hours. Their conversation made me happy. |
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Post by ripx187 on Feb 12, 2018 21:20:40 GMT -5
Okay, I can't help myself, I've gotta do it. I've gotta chime in to the whole X-men thing.
While I do believe that an idea can just pop into two heads at once, I think that the comic industry (which wasn't an industry yet) was just too small. DC was a much bigger publisher, and Marvel was a smaller press, yet it was Marvel that was pushing the industry forward. While DC was marketing Super Heroes for small kids, Marvel was selling to collage kids and young adults. Spider-man was a complex character and was a more realistic take on the genre. He appealed to both youngsters and not so youngsters because unlike Bat-man or Superman, Spiderman had stuff going on besides the Green Goblin. Stan took the model and improved it. The entire Marvel line up which made it a true compediter was based off of the Justice League, thus the true goal always was the Avengers.
Fantastic Four was brilliant. A group of heroes that didn't really like each other. Nobody had ever done that at the time. X-men was social commentary. Blatent social commentary, and true to Marvel form, the heroes were not one dimentional, they did more than fight the bad guys, hell there was a very thin line between X and Magneto. That is drama, and that is why Stan Lee is a super hero in his own right. DC could never manage that on their own. Doom Patrol was less polished and was just grinded out of the press, while X-men was well planned and thought out.
X-men had no competitor. It would be inspired by how we treat outsiders.
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Post by The Master on Feb 13, 2018 13:44:08 GMT -5
I like the drama and the action. Love Wolverine, just like a I love the real Hulk from back in the 70's when they drew his face to resemble JFK. I ignore the social commentary and "deeper" meaning. I read them for entertainment.
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Before kids replaced my Comic Book Day budget, it was a highlight of the week to go to the Shop and argue for hours. Their conversation made me happy.