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Post by Jame Rowe on Feb 3, 2018 20:55:51 GMT -5
Tab sees Danny at the other end of the strea. He storms over, visibly angry, and grabs her wrist. "Don't. EVER. DO that. AGAIN!"
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Post by Richard on Feb 5, 2018 21:40:19 GMT -5
Tab sees Danny at the other end of the strea[m]. He storms over, visibly angry, and . . . . As Tab strides angrily towards her, Danny - with a broad Cheshire Cat grin - readjusts the hose sprayer to "fan spray," takes a classic two-handed shooting stance and levels the business end in Tab's direction. "Come and get it, sweetie," she purrs. [OOC: It's a fairly basic tenet of pbp interaction that one PC can't touch another PC in a given scene without both player's consent. Tab walking (even quickly) toward Danny gives her plenty of time to do a lot of things, from run away to totally drench him. I'm deliberately choosing a middling response. BTW, your response above doesn't actually tell me whether or not Danny managed to get Tab wet, although I assume he wouldn't be this angry unless he did become at least a bit damp.]
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Post by Mighty Darci on Feb 8, 2018 1:21:48 GMT -5
Tab comes out of the medbay to see this scene. "Hey Rockie, who's this fella?" Rockie doesn't respond right away as her focus is elsewhere, she looks up to give a reply and then sees the altercation between Tab and Danny.
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Post by Mighty Darci on Feb 8, 2018 1:29:34 GMT -5
Tab sees Danny at the other end of the strea. He storms over, visibly angry, and grabs her wrist. "Don't. EVER. DO that. AGAIN!" Rockie is a bit confused that some flirty behavior from Danny (a cute little redhead) provokes this kind of reaction from Mr. Tab. She quickly moves to separate them and looking Mr. Tab directly in the eye very sternly says, "And don't you ever do that again!" (Thinking to herself, that it is a good thing that Oliver was not here), over her shoulder she says to Danny, "Don't you do that again either, at least not with Mr. Tab."OOC: Curious to see Connal's response.
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Post by ffilz on Feb 8, 2018 13:52:35 GMT -5
Connal is observing the exchange, but quiet. When things calm down, he will address Mr. Tab and say "Connal at your service, I have been discussing with Ms. Rockie here about how my interest in travelling might coincide with the direction your ship will be taking.
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Post by Jame Rowe on Feb 8, 2018 21:36:32 GMT -5
Connal is observing the exchange, but quiet. When things calm down, he will address Mr. Tab and say "Connal at your service, I have been discussing with Ms. Rockie here about how my interest in travelling might coincide with the direction your ship will be taking. "Please call me Tab, Connal. Nice to meetcha. I'm the medic aboard, if you need anything."
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Post by Mighty Darci on Feb 9, 2018 10:47:11 GMT -5
Rockie speaks, "Connal, pardon me for a moment please. Danny, Mr. Tab you were both out of line, and Mr. Tab (not to excuse Danny) but I won't tolerate your behavior at all, it was way out of proportion to what she did. Now I think you both have something you need to say to the other and I suggest that it be sincere! This is not a good start to a team that will need to be able to trust each other to watch each others backs."
OOC: Here is hoping they both feel a bit sheepish and embarrassed.
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Post by Jame Rowe on Feb 9, 2018 15:33:53 GMT -5
Rockie speaks, "Connal, pardon me for a moment please. Danny, Mr. Tab you were both out of line, and Mr. Tab (not to excuse Danny) but I won't tolerate your behavior at all, it was way out of proportion to what she did. Now I think you both have something you need to say to the other and I suggest that it be sincere! This is not a good start to a team that will need to be able to trust each other to watch each others backs."OOC: Here is hoping they both feel a bit sheepish and embarrassed."Keep her the HELL away from me and we won't have a problem. Cuz it's entirely her fault, and she's the only one who owes an apology."
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Post by ffilz on Feb 9, 2018 17:27:50 GMT -5
OOC: Let's try and bring things back quickly here. I get that Richard was attempting to have Danny be playful, but obviously it wasn't taken that way. To the extent that folks are used to play by post, we may all have had different experiences with different expectations. I don't expect there to be no inter player conflict, but it would be nice for folks to give some heads up that they feel things are heading that way before things get out of hand. Please take a moment of reflection on this scene and consider how you would like it to move forward. I'd suggest OOC responses and then we can go back IC.
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Post by Jame Rowe on Feb 9, 2018 17:45:14 GMT -5
OOC: Let's try and bring things back quickly here. I get that Richard was attempting to have Danny be playful, but o7bviously it wasn't taken that way. To the extent that folks are used to play by post, we may all have had different experiences with different expectations. I don't expect there to be no inter player conflict, but it would be nice for folks to give some heads up that they feel things are heading that way before things get out of hand. Please take a moment of reflection on this scene and consider how you would like it to move forward. I'd suggest OOC responses and then we can go back IC.
OOC: I mentioned that I felt like I was being attacked. I don't believe my comment was properly received, as the aggressive behavior towards me continued. I will say again, I very strongly felt like I was directly being attacked for a quiet question that I had directed towards another character. As such, I feel that Richard owes me an apology. I would hate to leave this game, but this has me on the verge of doing so.
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Post by ffilz on Feb 9, 2018 18:50:20 GMT -5
OOC: Let's try and bring things back quickly here. I get that Richard was attempting to have Danny be playful, but o7bviously it wasn't taken that way. To the extent that folks are used to play by post, we may all have had different experiences with different expectations. I don't expect there to be no inter player conflict, but it would be nice for folks to give some heads up that they feel things are heading that way before things get out of hand. Please take a moment of reflection on this scene and consider how you would like it to move forward. I'd suggest OOC responses and then we can go back IC.
OOC: I mentioned that I felt like I was being attacked. I don't believe my comment was properly received, as the aggressive behavior towards me continued. I will say again, I very strongly felt like I was directly being attacked for a quiet question that I had directed towards another character. As such, I feel that Richard owes me an apology. I would hate to leave this game, but this has me on the verge of doing so. Thanks, I want to make sure we validate this feeling. I really hope we can bring this around and not lose Jame as a player.
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Post by Admin Pete on Feb 9, 2018 23:22:03 GMT -5
IIRC it may be a few days before Richard logs back in to see this and respond. I am hopeful that this can be resolved.
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Post by Richard on Feb 11, 2018 23:35:03 GMT -5
IIRC it may be a few days before Richard logs back in to see this and respond. I am hopeful that this can be resolved. |OOC: If I - the player - had actually, physically attacked JAME with a water hose and therefore caused him embarrassment in front of ACTUAL PEOPLE, then of course I would apologize . . . particularly if JAME had responded in such an explosive manner, with the threat of physical violence. Afterward, I would avoid interacting at all with JAME, as I suspect most other people would in a similar situation. Because to respond to what was intended as an innocent practical joke with physical violence - an aggressive laying on of hands (particularly by a male against a female) - would not make me feel comfortable AT ALL.
But since this is a game, I am not going to apologize for anything. A fictional character playing a fictional practical joke on another fictional character is not something worthy of an apology.
If anything, JAME should apologize to the rest of us for SEVERELY overreacting to what was intended to be a HUMOROUS situation. In-game, Tab's reaction would be highly likely to get him rejected from this crew.
I will use small words, so that Jame can't mistake my meaning with this:
Our small group is going to spend THE NEXT WEEK confined inside what is essentially a large Winnebago, with NO POSSIBILITY of going outside AT ALL.
And one of these people is now screaming about keeping another of these people completely away from him? ? ? ? ?
Yep. Tab's going to be leaving the crew . . . and I think we are likely better off without Jame as well, if this is an example of how he reacts to intercharacter exchanges. I - for one - am not going to spend the rest of the game triple-thinking every post I make that involves his character, just on the off-chance that something I write (or fail to write) is going to set him off once again.
Jame, if you can't play nice with the other kids, please take your ball and go home.
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Post by Richard on Feb 12, 2018 0:11:04 GMT -5
Rockie speaks, "Connal, pardon me for a moment please. Danny, Mr. Tab you were both out of line, and Mr. Tab (not to excuse Danny) but I won't tolerate your behavior at all, it was way out of proportion to what she did . . . ."Rubbing her wrist - That's gonna leave a mark. If this asshole reacts like that to a little water, what's he gonna do when the bullets start flying? S*** his drawers, probably. - Danny glares wordlessly at Tab, her gaze softening only slightly when Rockie points out that she wasn't totally innocent in the exchange. [Rockie continues] "Now I think you both have something you need to say to the other and I suggest that it be sincere! This is not a good start to a team that will need to be able to trust each other to watch each others backs."Danny opens her mouth to reluctantly apologize - Asshole doesn't rate an apology. And I'm darn sure gonna speak to Adam about booting him before we lift. I'm not crewing with ANYBODY this unstable. But until then, orders are orders . . . - but before Danny can actually speak, Tab bursts out with: "Keep her the HELL away from me and we won't have a problem. Cuz it's entirely her fault, and she's the only one who owes an apology." Danny goggles at Tab - Did he actually say that!? My Gawd, not only is he an asshole, he's a fuckin' idiot as well. Medic or not, he's soooo outta here. - as she slowly closes her mouth. Turning to look at Rockie, Danny says quietly, "Ma'am, with your permission, I'm going to pretend that I didn't hear him just now and go on back to work."[OOC: Unless Rockie objects, Danny will silently pick up her hose and resume cleaning the filter screens.]
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Post by Richard on Feb 12, 2018 0:24:09 GMT -5
OOC: Let's try and bring things back quickly here. I get that Richard was attempting to have Danny be playful, but obviously it wasn't taken that way. To the extent that folks are used to play by post, we may all have had different experiences with different expectations. I don't expect there to be no inter player conflict, but it would be nice for folks to give some heads up that they feel things are heading that way before things get out of hand. Please take a moment of reflection on this scene and consider how you would like it to move forward. I'd suggest OOC responses and then we can go back IC.
[OOC: I have had Danny react to Tab in as non-confrontational manner as I felt to be possible, without breaking character. Unless Jame suddenly decides that Tab can read minds - and therefore can know for certain (from her italicized private thoughts) that Danny thinks he is both an asshole and an idiot - there is nothing in the scene which should lead to further hostility. That is, unless Tab continues to insist that the woman upon whom he physically laid hands apologize to HIM . . . and thus digs his current hole even deeper.]
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Post by Mighty Darci on Feb 12, 2018 1:26:12 GMT -5
Danny goggles at Tab - Did he actually say that!? My Gawd, not only is he an asshole, he's a fuckin' idiot as well. Medic or not, he's soooo outta here. - as she slowly closes her mouth. Turning to look at Rockie, Danny says quietly, "Ma'am, with your permission, I'm going to pretend that I didn't hear him just now and go on back to work."[OOC: Unless Rockie objects, Danny will silently pick up her hose and resume cleaning the filter screens.]Rockie looks at Danny and quietly replies, "Permission granted." Thinking to herself that Oliver would have liked the whole hose thing and probably have managed to get both of them very wet. Turning back to Mr. Tab she thinks, "What in the world is up with him, one how could he possibly see a girl flirting with him as an attack (where is that coming from) and two to grab her and hurt her like that," she shakes her head, " She is a little bitty thing, not like me." Then she says, "Mr Tab, get back to work and when Adam returns we will hash this out, seeing as how he and I are equal partners." Once he has returned to work, assuming that is what he does and if he does, then she will speak to Connal again.
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Post by ffilz on Feb 12, 2018 10:03:23 GMT -5
OOC: Sorry for my delay in response. I rarely get much chance to respond over the weekend, and I've been trying to decide how to handle this, and in the meantime, watching to see if the players could resolve it.
Things have spiraled out of control, this should have been handled OOC before any IC responses, so I'd like to ask us to rewind to the spraying incident and work things out OOC, and then when everyone is comfortable with the planned resolution (whether characters leave the crew or we edit the IC responses), we can proceed with IC responses.
At this point, I don't want to call out any player, I think this got out of hand because we aren't sitting face to face, and we haven't had much of a chance to get to know each other as people. Remember that 70% or more of face to face communication is non-verbal, in play by post, we have none of that, and even tone of voice is usually not communicated. In face to face play, the spraying would have been delivered in a tone and with non-verbal cues indicating a playful action, unfortunately that part of the intent got missed until tempers had already started to flare.
Also, I don't know what each person's experience with play by post is. I've been doing PbP for some 10 years or so, though mostly with less "role play" than this (though plenty enough to feel like each character was a character, and I don't buy the "role play vs roll play" commentary that became popular in the 90s). Even with varied experience, different play by post venues may have different play cultures with different expectations of what you can project onto another player's character (I should note that smooth RPG play ALWAYS requires some degree of projection or control of another player's character, and so often requires modifying a statement to allow the other player to react, most of the time this is done smoothly "I strangle the guard" becomes "Roll your stealth, oh you failed? The guard turns around a stabs you with his sword, oops, he fumbled and dropped his sword..."). We often make declarations of action that include the resolution even though the resolution will at least need the other player's acceptance if not a die roll, or even be completely blocked (and note, I include the GM as a "player").
So lets come together OOC as players and resolve this.
Frank
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Post by Mighty Darci on Feb 12, 2018 11:36:16 GMT -5
OOC:
Things have spiraled out of control, this should have been handled OOC before any IC responses, so I'd like to ask us to rewind to the spraying incident and work things out OOC, and then when everyone is comfortable with the planned resolution (whether characters leave the crew or we edit the IC responses), we can proceed with IC responses.
OOC: OK rolling it back to where it went off track:OOC: Jame Rowe I propose we go back to the part that I underlined and get a response that takes that into account rather than completely ignoring it. I think that would be the best course of action IMO. While I do not think the steamed response is reasonable, I could accept it if no hands are laid on Danny and the antagonism is muted down to a response that you almost got soaked but didn't or did and let us know to what extent you got soaked and proceeds from there. Upset at getting we in the middle of the day, without the rage, I think we could all work with that.
I don't want Tab to leave the crew, but speaking just for myself, any response that includes rage is not going to work for me. In real life I would never put up with or tolerate an aggressive man and putting hands on a woman like that when there was no physical injury. Now if she had taken a sword and sliced off the end of your beard, then defend yourself. In this case we don't even know if you got wet at all, because you didn't say, but even if you did get wet IMO violence against a woman is not acceptable and in most but not all contexts such a reaction to another man that you are well on the way to teaming up with would also not be acceptable. No one would want someone guarding their back, who couldn't take a joke, even when it is pointed out to them in the underlined red text above.The alternative that I see is that we roll it back and delete everything after "Hey Rockie, who's this fella?" and continue on from there and spend the rest of the game walking on eggshells because we know that we can't kid or joke with you and have any confidence that you will play along with it and respond in kind. I am not interested in doing any walking on eggshells.
That is my two coppers, I await everyone else's response.
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Post by Jame Rowe on Feb 12, 2018 18:17:57 GMT -5
IIRC it may be a few days before Richard logs back in to see this and respond. I am hopeful that this can be resolved. |OOC: If I - the player - had actually, physically attacked JAME with a water hose and therefore caused him embarrassment in front of ACTUAL PEOPLE, then of course I would apologize . . . particularly if JAME had responded in such an explosive manner, with the threat of physical violence. Afterward, I would avoid interacting at all with JAME, as I suspect most other people would in a similar situation. Because to respond to what was intended as an innocent practical joke with physical violence - an aggressive laying on of hands (particularly by a male against a female) - would not make me feel comfortable AT ALL.
But since this is a game, I am not going to apologize for anything. A fictional character playing a fictional practical joke on another fictional character is not something worthy of an apology.
If anything, JAME should apologize to the rest of us for SEVERELY overreacting to what was intended to be a HUMOROUS situation. In-game, Tab's reaction would be highly likely to get him rejected from this crew.
I will use small words, so that Jame can't mistake my meaning with this:
Our small group is going to spend THE NEXT WEEK confined inside what is essentially a large Winnebago, with NO POSSIBILITY of going outside AT ALL.
And one of these people is now screaming about keeping another of these people completely away from him? ? ? ? ?
Yep. Tab's going to be leaving the crew . . . and I think we are likely better off without Jame as well, if this is an example of how he reacts to intercharacter exchanges. I - for one - am not going to spend the rest of the game triple-thinking every post I make that involves his character, just on the off-chance that something I write (or fail to write) is going to set him off once again.
Jame, if you can't play nice with the other kids, please take your ball and go home.And now you have directly attacked me personally. I am not leaving. YOU are. Complaint, lodged.
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