What Level is This Spell?

[Jakob Grimm]

We are all familiar with the 1st Level Sleep Spell

Sleep: A Sleep spell effects from 2-16 1st level types (hit dice of up to 1 + 1), from 2-12 2nd level types (hit dice of up to 2 + 1), and from 1-6 3rd or 4th level types (up to 4 + 1 hit dice). The spell always effects up to the number of creatures determined by the dice. If more than  the number rolled could be effected determine which "sleep" by random selection. Range: 24".

So let's say we are creating an Advanced Sleep Spell we are going to call Total Slumber. It is more powerful and would be as follows

Total Slumber: This spell affects from 5-40 1st level types (hit dice up to 1 + 1), from 4-24 2nd level types (hit dice up to 2 + 1), from 2-16 3rd level types (hit dice up to 3 + 1), from 1-8 4th level types (hit dice up to 4 + 1), from 1-6 5th level types (hit dice up to 5 + 1), 1-4 6th level types (hit dice up to 6 + 1) or 1 7th level type. The spell always effects up to the number of creatures determined by the dice. If more than the number rolled could be effected determine which "sleep" by random selection. Range: 36".

What level spell should this spell be to be an appropriate level for the power of the spell? Please explain why you think that is an appropriate level for this spell.

[Jakob Grimm]

I think it should be a 2nd level spell as it is less powerful than a fire ball. A fire ball will affect undead and this will not, also a fire ball gets more powerful as the magic user goes up in levels and this does not. A fire ball would injure more than one 7th level and this does not. I think 2nd level spell is about right, but certainly no higher than a 3rd level spell.

[Keyone1234]

I voted for 4th level, mainly because I think that fireball should be at least 4th level and so should this IMO.

[Admin Pete]

I would make it a 3rd level spell, I think that would be about right. I think it is a bit strong for a second level spell, especially since the regular sleep spell is a bit strong for a 1st level spell.

[Mighty Darci]

I think you guys are undervaluing the power of the spell. being above to take out up to 8 4th level or 6 5th level or 4 6th level or 1 7th level from 36" and with a high % chance of being undetected is extremely powerful and I think it should be a 5th level spell for that reason.

[Robert the Black]

Jun 9, 2018 9:12:49 GMT -5 Mighty Darci said:

I think you guys are undervaluing the power of the spell. being above to take out up to 8 4th level or 6 5th level or 4 6th level or 1 7th level from 36" and with a high % chance of being undetected is extremely powerful and I think it should be a 5th level spell for that reason.

I'm going to agree with the lady, I think her explanation is on point.

[Yaleric]

I am going with 3rd level spell.

[Warrior Twin One]

4th level for me.

[Warrior Twin Two]

3rd level fits the best.

[Q. F o s t e r]

That is really powerful, I would class that as a 6th level spell.

[Snuffy Smith]

I would got with 5th level, 6th is too high IMO and 4th is too low.

[Ibizan Zamway]

I agree with Mighty Darci that it is 5th level, I think she has the right of it.

[clooney]

I'll go with 5th level on this.

[nobody]

5th level spell

[Kujik]

Jun 9, 2018 9:12:49 GMT -5 Mighty Darci said:

I think you guys are undervaluing the power of the spell. being above to take out up to 8 4th level or 6 5th level or 4 6th level or 1 7th level from 36" and with a high % chance of being undetected is extremely powerful and I think it should be a 5th level spell for that reason.

I will go with this, I think this nails it.

[The Man From Coventry]

I like the argument for it being 5th level.

[Morose]

I agree with 5th level

[Bartholmew Quarrels]

5th level seems about right.

[Mighty Darci]

Thanks for all the agreement guys!